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    Quote Originally Posted by F1nKS View Post
    Could you imagine the excitement if RBR, Mercedes, Mclaren, Ferrari, and even Williams were in the mix every week. It would be great.
    That is what we expect next season. Anything short of that would mean the new regulation is a failure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitrodaze View Post
    That is what we expect next season. Anything short of that would mean the new regulation is a failure.
    I expect failure.

    There will be a reset and there will be winners and losers from the reset, but I don't see there being this big equalizer moment. Good engineering teams will do good engineering and vice versa. Some teams will get it wrong.

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    MAX VERSTAPPEN
    Verstappen brushes off Monza backlash: There are a lot of hypocrites

    23/09/2021, ‎17‎:‎15
    Author Thomas Maher
    Dieter Rencken

    Max Verstappen wasn't impressed by the backlash he faced after the Monza clash between himself and Lewis Hamilton.

    Comments were made by luminaries such as Sir Jackie Stewart, who said that Verstappen had "a lot of maturing to do" for failing to check on Hamilton's condition in the car after the accident.

    Hamilton himself was "surprised" that Verstappen did not check on him, although images from the crash aftermath showed Verstappen looking in the direction of Hamilton as he attempted to reverse his stricken Mercedes out from under the Red Bull.

    Asked about whether he had been taken aback by the comments made in his direction, a displeased Verstappen said that it had been a display in hypocrisy, but didn't specify who he was referring to.

    "There are a lot of hypocrites in the world, that's for sure," Verstappen told RacingNews365.com and other members of the media.

    https://racingnews365.com/verstappen...-of-hypocrites


    Max: Hamilton comments ‘show he doesn’t know me’
    Date published: September 23 2021 - Finley Crebolder

    Max Verstappen says Lewis Hamilton’s claim that the Dutchman may be nervous fighting for his first title shows the Briton “doesn’t really know” him.
    The Red Bull driver is locked in his first ever title fight in Formula 1 this season, currently leading Hamilton by five points in a tight battle.

    https://www.planetf1.com/news/max-ve...lton-comments/


    Verstappen Defiant On Not Changing Approach After Hamilton Incidents
    Sept 23, 2021
    By Jonathan Byrne

    The 23-year-old was outright asked if he would change his approach to these situations in the future. "I think that goes both ways," Verstappen said. "It's not only me when we are racing each other."

    While there have been some public jibes between the drivers this season, the back and forth between Red Bull and Mercedes on the incidents has been more vocalised.

    https://www.balls.ie/motorsport/vers...cidents-485504


    Can Verstappen beat Mercedes in Sochi? 'We often came just a bit short'
    23-09-2021 17:33 | Updated: 23-09-2021 18:33
    by GPblog.com

    Can Red Bull put an end to their rivals' dominance at the track? "In general I expect it to be better this year, but with the chance of rain it remains to be seen. It's less predictable in the rain than on a dry track, but I think we're fast in both situations this season, so I don't have a real preference."

    https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/94702...bit-short.html


    ‘So nervous I can barely sleep’: Max scorches Hamilton comments as rivalry reaches new levels
    September 24th, 2021 7:15 am

    Max Verstappen on Thursday rejected suggestions from Lewis Hamilton that he may be feeling the pressure of their title fight and said it showed that the defending champion simply did not know him.

    The Red Bull driver, who leads the championship by five points, but has a three-place grid penalty for this weekend’s Russian Grand Prix, added that he had put his Italian crash behind him and would continue to race as hard as ever.

    “Yeah, I’m so nervous I can barely sleep,” said the Dutchman, with heavy sarcasm.

    “I mean, it’s so horrible to fight for a title.... I really hate it!

    “Those comments, it just shows you that he really doesn’t know me - which is fine. I also don’t need to know him, how he is.

    “I’m very relaxed about all those things and I really can’t be bothered. I’m very chilled.”

    https://www.foxsports.com.au/motorsp...f56eaf6c95237f


    Pressure? What pressure?: Verstappen shrugs off Hamilton comments
    Issued on: 23/09/2021 - 21:00Modified: 23/09/2021 - 20:58

    A defiant Max Verstappen on Thursday rejected suggestions from Lewis Hamilton that he may be feeling the pressure of their title fight and said it showed that the defending champion simply did not know him.

    https://www.france24.com/en/live-new...ilton-comments


    Ron Dennis offers surprising prediction on title fight
    Michael Delaney24/09/2021 at 07:0624/09/2021 at 07:14

    Although Dennis and Hamilton have remained friends over the years, the former McLaren chairman boss is surprisingly putting his money on his former driver's archrival and his team, Red Bull Racing, in this year's title battle.

    "I have a tremendous respect for the technologists at Red Bull," Dennis told Sky Sports when asked to predict the championship's outcome.
    "I think Honda has stabilized their engine performance very well.

    "I think it's going to be Verstappen. If it's not, it will not be because they lacked performance but because they make mistakes.
    "The question is, in what circumstances are these mistakes going to be made?

    "It's going to a very colorful end of season, but I would probably back Verstappen.

    https://f1i.com/news/419090-ron-denn...tle-fight.html

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    So , was that the Merc "magic button" again , showing itself as an unsafe toy , or was that just a small misjudgment on the brakes for Lewis when he knocked down the jack man ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fortitude View Post
    MAX VERSTAPPEN
    Verstappen brushes off Monza backlash: There are a lot of hypocrites

    23/09/2021, ‎17‎:‎15
    Author Thomas Maher
    Dieter Rencken

    Max Verstappen wasn't impressed by the backlash he faced after the Monza clash between himself and Lewis Hamilton.

    Comments were made by luminaries such as Sir Jackie Stewart, who said that Verstappen had "a lot of maturing to do" for failing to check on Hamilton's condition in the car after the accident.

    Hamilton himself was "surprised" that Verstappen did not check on him, although images from the crash aftermath showed Verstappen looking in the direction of Hamilton as he attempted to reverse his stricken Mercedes out from under the Red Bull.

    Asked about whether he had been taken aback by the comments made in his direction, a displeased Verstappen said that it had been a display in hypocrisy, but didn't specify who he was referring to.

    "There are a lot of hypocrites in the world, that's for sure," Verstappen told RacingNews365.com and other members of the media.

    https://racingnews365.com/verstappen...-of-hypocrites


    Max: Hamilton comments ‘show he doesn’t know me’
    Date published: September 23 2021 - Finley Crebolder

    Max Verstappen says Lewis Hamilton’s claim that the Dutchman may be nervous fighting for his first title shows the Briton “doesn’t really know” him.
    The Red Bull driver is locked in his first ever title fight in Formula 1 this season, currently leading Hamilton by five points in a tight battle.

    https://www.planetf1.com/news/max-ve...lton-comments/


    Verstappen Defiant On Not Changing Approach After Hamilton Incidents
    Sept 23, 2021
    By Jonathan Byrne

    The 23-year-old was outright asked if he would change his approach to these situations in the future. "I think that goes both ways," Verstappen said. "It's not only me when we are racing each other."

    While there have been some public jibes between the drivers this season, the back and forth between Red Bull and Mercedes on the incidents has been more vocalised.

    https://www.balls.ie/motorsport/vers...cidents-485504


    Can Verstappen beat Mercedes in Sochi? 'We often came just a bit short'
    23-09-2021 17:33 | Updated: 23-09-2021 18:33
    by GPblog.com

    Can Red Bull put an end to their rivals' dominance at the track? "In general I expect it to be better this year, but with the chance of rain it remains to be seen. It's less predictable in the rain than on a dry track, but I think we're fast in both situations this season, so I don't have a real preference."

    https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/94702...bit-short.html


    ‘So nervous I can barely sleep’: Max scorches Hamilton comments as rivalry reaches new levels
    September 24th, 2021 7:15 am

    Max Verstappen on Thursday rejected suggestions from Lewis Hamilton that he may be feeling the pressure of their title fight and said it showed that the defending champion simply did not know him.

    The Red Bull driver, who leads the championship by five points, but has a three-place grid penalty for this weekend’s Russian Grand Prix, added that he had put his Italian crash behind him and would continue to race as hard as ever.

    “Yeah, I’m so nervous I can barely sleep,” said the Dutchman, with heavy sarcasm.

    “I mean, it’s so horrible to fight for a title.... I really hate it!

    “Those comments, it just shows you that he really doesn’t know me - which is fine. I also don’t need to know him, how he is.

    “I’m very relaxed about all those things and I really can’t be bothered. I’m very chilled.”

    https://www.foxsports.com.au/motorsp...f56eaf6c95237f


    Pressure? What pressure?: Verstappen shrugs off Hamilton comments
    Issued on: 23/09/2021 - 21:00Modified: 23/09/2021 - 20:58

    A defiant Max Verstappen on Thursday rejected suggestions from Lewis Hamilton that he may be feeling the pressure of their title fight and said it showed that the defending champion simply did not know him.

    https://www.france24.com/en/live-new...ilton-comments


    Ron Dennis offers surprising prediction on title fight
    Michael Delaney24/09/2021 at 07:0624/09/2021 at 07:14

    Although Dennis and Hamilton have remained friends over the years, the former McLaren chairman boss is surprisingly putting his money on his former driver's archrival and his team, Red Bull Racing, in this year's title battle.

    "I have a tremendous respect for the technologists at Red Bull," Dennis told Sky Sports when asked to predict the championship's outcome.
    "I think Honda has stabilized their engine performance very well.

    "I think it's going to be Verstappen. If it's not, it will not be because they lacked performance but because they make mistakes.
    "The question is, in what circumstances are these mistakes going to be made?

    "It's going to a very colorful end of season, but I would probably back Verstappen.

    https://f1i.com/news/419090-ron-denn...tle-fight.html
    Your Verstappen propaganda machine is in full swing this weekend. At least you do not hide your bias. However, it is interesting that Ron Dennis tips Verxstappen for the title. His wise old highly experienced head probably see something that is lost to us mere mortals. With the improvements coming from Honda at the moment and Mercedes not doing much else with this seasson's car, he might be on to something there.

    We might not see much Hamilton Verstappen action at Sochi. But Turkey would be a real gloves off scenario. Any sign of weakness by Hamilton or Verstappen would essentially write him off for the title.
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    We may , in fact , be seeing Max and Lewis close together , as Max is using fresh power units , and starting amongst slower cars at the back , and Lewis is starting 3 places down from qualifying position with a new gearbox amongst much quicker cars .

    Then you add rain .

    It all fits with the sandbag theory as well if they get nearer each other .
    Last race had each scoring the same amount , keeping that title race crazy tight .
    It sure is gonna be a "real" battle for the rest of the season .

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    Quote Originally Posted by F1nKS View Post
    I expect failure.

    There will be a reset and there will be winners and losers from the reset, but I don't see there being this big equalizer moment. Good engineering teams will do good engineering and vice versa. Some teams will get it wrong.
    yup.

    Just like in 2009 and 2014
    and in 2008 by the end of the year, we actually had 6 teams capable of winning races because the regs had stayed in place for years and other teams finally caught up.
    If we continued on these regs for another year, then I am pretty sure that Alpha Tauri, and Alpine would close the gap, and we would see 6 teams capable of winning races next year.
    But now we are going to get a reboot and as you say, there are goin g to be winners and losers for sure.
    Then it is going to take another few years for others to catch up, and when they do, the regs will inevitably change again...sigh
    you can't argue with results.

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    FORMULA 1 VTB RUSSIAN GRAND PRIX 2021 - PRACTICE 1
    24 26 Sep 2021 Sochi Autodrom, Sochi

    https://www.formula1.com/en/results....ractice-1.html


    FORMULA 1 VTB RUSSIAN GRAND PRIX 2021 - PRACTICE 2
    24 26 Sep 2021 Sochi Autodrom, Sochi

    https://www.formula1.com/en/results....ractice-2.html


    Red Bull confirm Max Verstappen to start Russian Grand Prix from the back
    Charles Crook
    25th September 2021.

    Red Bull have confirmed that driver Max Verstappen will start Sunday’s Russian Grand Prix from the back due to engine penalties.

    The Dutch driver entered the weekend of the race in Sochi with a 3 place grid penalty for his crash with championship rival Lewis Hamilton at Monza last time out.

    https://citiblog.co.uk/2021/09/24/re...from-the-back/

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    FP3 canceled.

    Remains to be seen if qualifying is moved to Sunday or not.

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    Not a good week-end for Hamilton thus far, hitting his mechanic on Friday, the pit-wall today and spinning on his final qualifying lap. So it's only P4 for him and P7 for Bottas, but still ahead of the Red Bulls.

    Congrats to Norris, the McLaren revival continues.
    Last edited by gm99; 25th September 2021 at 13:10.
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