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    Quote Originally Posted by The Black Knight View Post
    You blamed Hamilton for Silverstone and Hamilton was far more alongside Max in Silverstone than Max was alongside Lewis today. If this was a racing incident so was Silverstone.
    Did Max not leave Lewis space at Silverstone?

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    Horner and max are giving some of the most twisted interviews ever. applying severe mental gymnastics to explain the incident, and TBF the reporter asked max point blank what happened at lap 1 and he litereally had nothing to say about it, apart from "it is a different situation"
    horner comes out and provides laughable commentary about respect etc. when he was the one going to crazy extremes after silverstone.
    You know he knows he is wrong by insisting it is a racing incident. useless
    you can't argue with results.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zico View Post
    Did Max not leave Lewis space at Silverstone?
    Lewis was further alongside at Silverstone. Lewis gave Max the same treatment Max gave him on the first lap today. Max can't have it all his own way. If being further alongside a driver and colliding means it is the drivers fault on the inside (Hamilton in Silverstone) then being further back and colliding means it has to be Max's fault today. And Max had plenty of room to go over the chicane today just like Lewis did on the first lap.

    Respect to Damon Hill and Herbert they are the only ones calling it as it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Black Knight View Post
    You blamed Hamilton for Silverstone and Hamilton was far more alongside Max in Silverstone than Max was alongside Lewis today. If this was a racing incident so was Silverstone.
    I blame hamilton here too. But that was a 300km/h accident, while this is a 50km/h accident.

    The main issue here is that verstappens car got launched in the air, without that they would have just banged wheels and nothing terrible would have happened. This was not bad enough anyone a penalty, just a freak incident.

    Had either of them known how it would end, they would have backed off.

    And please look again at the video's. At the moment they touched they where next to each other. They touched rear to rear. In silverstone hamilton was clearly begind, that was front to rear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by denkimi View Post
    I blame hamilton here too. But that was a 300km/h accident, while this is a 50km/h accident.

    The main issue here is that verstappens car got launched in the air, without that they would have just banged wheels and nothing terrible would have happened. This was not bad enough anyone a penalty, just a freak incident.

    Had either of them known how it would end, they would have backed off.

    And please look again at the video's. At the moment they touched they where next to each other. They touched rear to rear. In silverstone hamilton was clearly begind, that was front to rear.
    The speed of the corners are irrelevant.
    In Silverstone when they both committed to the corner Hamilton was only a couple of inches from being fully alongside. It was the speed differential throughout the corner which caused the cars to touch in different parts in Silverstone. When Max committed today he was further back than Lewis was at Silverstone. He should not have committed or else he should have gone over the chicane when he saw the door closing. By the time they were nearly side by side today there was no chance Max was making that corner. At any point Max could have backed out, at no point could Lewis have done much different. In fact I think Lewis actually moved slightly right to avoid Max once his car started oscillating as at that point he probably knew what was going to happen.

    Both are either a racing incident or it was Lewis fault in Silverstone and Max's fault today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Black Knight View Post
    Lewis was further alongside at Silverstone. Lewis gave Max the same treatment Max gave him on the first lap today. Max can't have it all his own way. If being further alongside a driver and colliding means it is the drivers fault on the inside (Hamilton in Silverstone) then being further back and colliding means it has to be Max's fault today. And Max had plenty of room to go over the chicane today just like Lewis did on the first lap.

    Respect to Damon Hill and Herbert they are the only ones calling it as it is.
    No, the criteria for leaving space is determined by if they were over a certain percentage alongside or not, and if they are.. the defending driver has to leave space.
    Its not a case of if one was more alongside than the other then that rule magically disappears as you seem to think.

    In both incidents one left space, the other didn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Black Knight View Post
    The speed of the corners are irrelevant.
    In Silverstone when they both committed to the corner Hamilton was only a couple of inches from being fully alongside. It was the speed differential throughout the corner which caused the cars to touch in different parts in Silverstone. When Max committed today he was further back than Lewis was at Silverstone. He should not have committed or else he should have gone over the chicane when he saw the door closing. By the time they were nearly side by side today there was no chance Max was making that corner. At any point Max could have backed out, at no point could Lewis have done much different. In fact I think Lewis actually moved slightly right to avoid Max once his car started oscillating as at that point he probably knew what was going to happen.

    Both are either a racing incident or it was Lewis fault in Silverstone and Max's fault today.
    You do understand that lewis cannot be fully alongside when his front wheel hits max'es rear wheel?

    And the speed of the corner is very relevant. In silverstone lewis knew that the only outcome would be a big crash. Today the outcome would have been wheels banging without damage in 99% of te cases. What we saw today was nothing out of the ordinary in racing terms, drivers bang wheels all the time. Only the outcome of this incident was a bit extreme, due to the lauching of the car.

    To me both incidents were lewis fault. But today this was only a very minor incident, unfortunately with big consequences. Nobody should be punished here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zico View Post
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    No, the criteria for leaving space is determined by if they were over a certain percentage alongside or not, and if they are.. the defending driver has to leave space.
    Its not a case of if one was more alongside than the other then that rule magically disappears as you seem to think.

    In both incidents one left space, the other didn't.
    Hamilton left him the same room as Max gave him in the first lap and Hamilton was far more alongside than Max was. If Max feels the first lap was fair then Hamilton was fair in the later incident. Thew Stewards ruled that no action was necessary there, so the precedent was set, Lewis had no need to give Max room in turn 2. In the end, Max didn't use his brain today, Lewis did. That's the big difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Black Knight View Post
    Hamilton left him the same room as Max gave him in the first lap and Hamilton was far more alongside than Max was. If Max feels the first lap was fair then Hamilton was fair in the later incident. Thew Stewards ruled that no action was necessary there, so the precedent was set, Lewis had no need to give Max room in turn 2. In the end, Max didn't use his brain today, Lewis did. That's the big difference.
    You are moving the goalposts again.. so we are comparing the first lap incident today instead now? I haven't watched the full race yet so I can't comment on that one but if thats the case then yes, I'll no doubt agree... but you compared todays incident with Silverstone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by denkimi View Post
    You do understand that lewis cannot be fully alongside when his front wheel hits max'es rear wheel?

    And the speed of the corner is very relevant. In silverstone lewis knew that the only outcome would be a big crash. Today the outcome would have been wheels banging without damage in 99% of te cases. What we saw today was nothing out of the ordinary in racing terms, drivers bang wheels all the time. Only the outcome of this incident was a bit extreme, due to the lauching of the car.

    To me both incidents were lewis fault. But today this was only a very minor incident, unfortunately with big consequences. Nobody should be punished here.
    Lewis didn't know a big smash was imminent in Silverstone, plenty of cars have overtaken successfully at Copse throughout the years, it's just both drivers wouldn't give an inch. It was a racing incident.

    Today, Max knew the sausage Kerbs were there and went over them even though the door was closed. He made an error of judgement, I hope it wasn't a professional foul as Toto said. He should have backed out or gone over the chicane. He absolutely should get a penalty, otherwise just like with Portugal 2019, first lap Monza and Imola this year, he'll continue these sort of moves and maybe next time he'll kill himself or another driver.
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