2021 - Race 14 Itallian GP at Monza

[Fortitude]

Martin Brundle: “Max hasn’t done anything wrong there. It is fair enough to go around the outside. Lewis can’t cross over until the white line finishes… …and Max’s car hit the rollover hoop of Lewis’s car, that is where the damage has come from!”


Verstappen & Hamilton Clash at Turn 2 | 2021 Italian Grand Prix
Sep 12, 2021
FORMULA 1

Title rivals come together once again! Max Verstappen and Lewis Hamilton clash at Turn 2, causing a double retirement and for a safety car to be deployed. Thankfully, both drivers walked away unharmed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VSwwZYDW94

[Nitrodaze]

Here we go again.

[Nitrodaze]

It was a bloody ess double corners. Anybody in their right mind would know there was no way they would be able to overtake through there especially coming from behind. That accident was 100% Verstappen's fault and very dangerous. It was a very stupid attempt at overtaking.

When a driver has a poor judgement of an imminent crash occurring then he has become dangerous to every driver on the grid. I think people can attempt to excuse this very stupid sort of driving. But a fatality is very much on the cards this season due to this kind of reckless determination we are seeing with Verstappen. To put everything on the line is to invite a moment when it would be the ultimate sacrifice.

Horner is an idiot. Verstappen or someone else would get killed at this rate.

[Nitrodaze]

Well the stewards agreed with my assessment and Verstappen has been given a 3 place grid drop at the next GP and 2 penalty points/

https://www.fia.com/sites/default/fi...0collision.pdf
Here is the ruling:

"Fact - Collision with car 44 in turn 2.

Offence - Breach of Article 2 (d) Chapter IV Appendix L of the FIA International Sporting Code.

Decision - 3 Grid Place Drop at the driver’s next event.
(2 penalty points imposed, total of 2 points in the 12 month period)

Reason - The Stewards heard from the driver of car 33 (Max Verstappen), the driver of car 44 (Lewis Hamilton) and team representatives, reviewed the video evidence and determined that the driver of Car 33 was predominantly to blame for the collision with Car 44 at Turn 2.

Car 44 was exiting the pits. Car 33 was on the main straight. At the 50m board before Turn 1, Car 44 was significantly ahead of Car 33. Car 33 braked late and started to move alongside Car 44, although at no point in the sequence does Car 33 get any further forward than just behind the front wheel of Car 44. During the hearing the driver of Car 33 asserted that the cause of the incident was the driver of Car 44 opening the steering after Turn 1 and “squeezing” him to the apex of turn 2. The driver of Car 44 asserted that the driver of Car 33 attempted to pass very late and should have given up the corner either by backing off sooner, or by turning left behind the kerb.

The Stewards observed on CCTV footage that the driver of Car 44 was driving an avoiding line, although his position caused Car 33 to go onto the kerb. But further, the Stewards observed that Car 33 was not at all alongside Car 44 until significantly into the entry into Turn 1. In the opinion of the Stewards, this manoeuvre was attempted too late for the driver of Car 33 to have “the right to racing room”. While Car 44 could have steered further from the kerb to avoid the incident, the Stewards determined that his position was reasonable and therefore find that the driver of Car 33 was predominantly to blame for the incident.

In coming to the penalty the Stewards emphasise that they have only considered the incident itself and not the consequences thereof.

The Stewards Competitors are reminded that they have the right to appeal certain decisions of the Stewards, in accordance with Article 15 of the FIA International Sporting Code and Chapter 4 of the FIA Judicial and Disciplinary Rules, within the applicable time limits"

I wonder if Brundel will now eat humble pie and admit he was wrong and if DiResta will do the same.
This is a well deserved penalty and a culmination of all the bully driving that Max has engineered.
This time he nearly injured a fellow competitor because he doesn't care or is unwilling to compromise with anyone on the track.

I guarantee the Anti-Hamilton brigade would not agree with this very clear verdict of obvious bad judgement by Verstappen. The fellow is trying too hard to try to beat Hamilton. What we are seeing here is ugly.

The poor pitstops for both set up this crash. I don't think there is anyone on the current grid who has won races with three teams; Redbull, Renault and Mclaren. What a racer Ricciardo is. Except Alonso of course; Renault, Mclaren and Ferrari

[Average Sim Racer]

I don't have to be anti-Hamilton to point out that he used to smash into Massa for fun and Albon etc.

[denkimi]

Besides the usual hamilton fanboys, i have only seen people call it a racing incident.

[Nitrodaze]

Besides the usual hamilton fanboys, i have only seen people call it a racing incident.

Ha ha ha LOL

You are so predictable

[Nitrodaze]

I don't have to be anti-Hamilton to point out that he used to smash into Massa for fun and Albon etc.

We can say similar things for Verstappen and any driver on the grid. Try to say something original.

[Nitrodaze]

furthermore a 10 sec penalty in race, is far worse than a 3 place grid slot. TBH
At worst, verstappen will start in p5/6 as opposed to dropping back much further with an in-race 10second penalty.
A big difference.
If I am being honest, a fair penalty would be to start the next race and get a 10 second penalty at his first pit stop

Unfortunately, time penalty is only applied during the race. With the 3 places drop, Verstappen can recover to a podium position or even win the race depending on the conditions. Regardless, that is the only applicable penalty for this occasion.

[Nitrodaze]

Anyway.. its interesting that we seem to have a new set of unwritten rules. Getting alongside to just behind the front wheels is no longer deemed to be enough anymore....and thats fair enough but they have set a new precedent now which they really have to abide by going forward.

The problem here is Verstappen was trying force open a gap in a tight corner. Any other driver would realize that it was not possible to overtake there and try a better line to attack on the next corner. It surprises me when you guys defend stupidity. That was a crash or give way move. It was daft but calculated to prevent Hamilton from winning the race if he was not going to win it himself.