Should Redbull apologize?

[Nitrodaze]

You should have taken your own advice and stopped right there.

I agree. Enough said.

[truefan72]

I think we have said enough on the subject. As l pointed out, there are two very strong views on the matter. And they appear irreconcilable. The very attempt to discuss the matter is very uncomfortable to many. Some see it as an accusation of being racists. Which you would not find in my post either. Though l have suggested that some are overly critical of Hamilton. But not equally so when other drivers do the same thing.

If it was Hamilton that caused the pileup at the start of the Hungarian GP, these individuals would have plenty to say about it. Their post would be laced with venom. As it was Bottas, it was a non-event. Nor was the crash of Stroll into the side of the Ferrari. Not a single peep about it. But you all had plenty to say about a racing incident that was just as innocent as those two Hungarian incidents, because the Silverstone incident involved Hamilton. The Hungarian damage was just as bad; actually worst. Perez was just as much in danger of being killed in that crash. The cost is not dissimilar. Redbull is probably still going to pay the £1.3m cost of repairing that car as well, and more for Verstappen's car.

I think you all should stop for a moment and examine your selves. Your acts and statements are analysed in detail and we call your actions as we see them. You may find my observations uncomfortable. Take that as a clue that you need to take a reflective look at yourselves.

Essentially that was my point and I got no response except for some vitriolic off topic responses about perceived perceptions about their nature.
As i said, i wonder why there have not been 20 pages about the bottas incident or stroll. Not a single word, nothing.
The strongest criticisms came from me and a few others who are deemed "fan boys" or biased. laughable
The guy took out both Red Bulls and a Mclaren as well as damaging the other Mclaren and Stroll took out the Ferrari and nearly the Alpha Tauri.
But zero discussion on that? All those "if it were somebody else, I'd be making the same criticism" folks had nothing to say.
Many didn't even bother coming back to the forum to have their say. So this is about as clear evidence as any about the actual bias.
And as usual the last resort is to accuse those pointing out the imbalance as the actual ones biased. Etc.
Yeah, that's why I don't waste my time trying to get into those arguments with them.

That say's it all to me

[Mia 01]

If we can´t discuss Hamilton, then the forum can close.

[joe1888cfc]

Well, thank you for the insults. You make your point exactly like l have been pointing out you go about it. I think we have thrashed this donkey to death. Let's park it until another time eh.

The problem with your perception is your poor comprehension of politically correct prejudice. You don't have to make a statement directly pertaining to what makes an individual a candidate for the reception of prejudice. It is how you behave in relation to them that make your act prejudicial. And it apply's in the same manner to all groups of people that live their daily lives in the shadow of all manner of prejudices. From colour related prejudices, to religion-related prejudices the Muslims suffer, to gender-related prejudices that women have endured since the beginning of time. To sexual orientation related prejudices, that gay people are enduring currently. To disability-related prejudices. To culture-related prejudices and the list goes on and on.

This may take the form of overly strong criticism, over-reaction to minor things they do, overbearing demands for actions that are under normal conditions inapplicable or just sheer hate statements. You would not find anywhere in my posts where l make any reference to Hamilton's blackness; which he should be proud of by the way. But somehow you seem to zero in on that factor. And your post points out this aspect very strongly, yet you would not find any reference to it in my posts.

The disappointing thing about your post is the surprising insensitivity to the subject matter in discussion. Your natural instinct is to go on the offensive in defence of what is actually immaterial to what is the point of discussion. A more respectable response would at least address why Horner should not apologize. Unfortunately, you have taken the route of insults and feigning the offended.

By the way, Hamilton sold his private jet due to his feelings about climate change. If you bother to find this out before you start disliking him.

At least you are honest, that you don't like him. Your reason for not liking him is very misplaced. Hence, my analysis of you is at least accurate. So you have no real cause to get upset with me about it. The fact is you know nothing about the man besides his racing. There is more to Hamilton than you actually know. Your poor information about the man is what causes your ill-judged dislike for him. The more you say about the topic only reveals the depth of your ignorance of the subject.

Not reading all that. What a bore you are!

[Nitrodaze]

If we can´t discuss Hamilton, then the forum can close.

Mia, Hamilton is controversial. Inevitably we have to discuss Hamilton. I am saying be fair and just and equitable in your discussion about him. Being overly critical or writing hate laced posts is not discussing Hamilton. It is doing hate posts which l am strongly against.

[Nitrodaze]

Not reading all that. What a bore you are!

yea yea. I bet you wouldn't understand it if you try.

[Bagwan]

Essentially that was my point and I got no response except for some vitriolic off topic responses about perceived perceptions about their nature.
As i said, i wonder why there have not been 20 pages about the bottas incident or stroll. Not a single word, nothing.
The strongest criticisms came from me and a few others who are deemed "fan boys" or biased. laughable
The guy took out both Red Bulls and a Mclaren as well as damaging the other Mclaren and Stroll took out the Ferrari and nearly the Alpha Tauri.
But zero discussion on that? All those "if it were somebody else, I'd be making the same criticism" folks had nothing to say.
Many didn't even bother coming back to the forum to have their say. So this is about as clear evidence as any about the actual bias.
And as usual the last resort is to accuse those pointing out the imbalance as the actual ones biased. Etc.
Yeah, that's why I don't waste my time trying to get into those arguments with them.

That say's it all to me

If it makes you feel better , I'll say Bottas was an idiot in that one , and Stroll was almost as bad .
But , I don't think there's any debate for anyone in that one , because I don't think anyone would disagree .

That , I think is why nobody felt the need to say it , rather than some bias against Lewis .

[Bagwan]

yea yea. I bet you wouldn't understand it if you try.

Nitro , you brought racism into this discussion .

If you wish to lecture someone on the topic , find the idiots who hurled the insults at Lewis .

We were talking about the incident .

[joe1888cfc]

yea yea. I bet you wouldn't understand it if you try.

That's racist.

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[Nitrodaze]

Nitro , you brought racism into this discussion .

If you wish to lecture someone on the topic , find the idiots who hurled the insults at Lewis .

We were talking about the incident .

I have had enough with this. Time to move on to the next controversy.