2021 Race 10 - British Grand Prix

[The Black Knight]

Yea yea

Just ignore- some people don't understand racing

[Fortitude]

Brundle: Red Bull claim to have damning Hamilton data
20th July 2021, ‎13‎:‎45

The Formula 1 pundit has revealed Red Bull have evidence that Lewis Hamilton entered Copse corner on lap one significantly quicker than any other time in the race.

Formula 1 pundit Martin Brundle has revealed that Red Bull have data to prove that Lewis Hamilton entered Copse corner on the first lap faster than any other occasion during the British Grand Prix.
Hamilton collided with title rival Max Verstappen on the opening lap at Copse at high-speed which resulted in the Red Bull driver retiring from the race. Red Bull are yet to rule out an appeal and Brundle says the team may have new evidence which would be needed to make an appeal to the FIA.
"Red Bull felt it was a professional foul, an intentional accident from Hamilton," Brundle wrote in his post-race Sky Sports F1 column. "They were incandescent, their potential world champion was bruised, their car expensively wrecked in this new cost cap era, and with possible grid penalties to come from any engine and ancillary damage.

"They would score zero points from the race and both championship leads would be seriously eroded. I am told by Red Bull there is data to prove Lewis was significantly faster into Copse than at any other time and he would not have made the corner without running wide, and inevitably contacting Max.
"Presumably, that will be made publicly available and if Red Bull feel they have 'new evidence' they may well make an appeal to the FIA as to their perceived degree of fault and leniency regarding Hamilton."
Brundle thinks the 10-second time penalty for Hamilton means the stewards saw it as a 70/30 incident with the blame, going towards the seven-time world champion. He also feels that a collision between Hamilton and Verstappen was inevitable.

Read MORE here;

https://racingnews365.com/brundle-re...-hamilton-data


Can Red Bull's lawsuit against Mercedes succeed?
20-07-2021 16:47 | Updated: 20-07-2021 17:06
by GPblog.com

Recently news emerged that Red Bull Racing is taking legal action against Mercedes regarding the time penalty the Briton received for his incident with Max Verstappen in the first lap of the Silverstone Grand Prix. But on what grounds can Red Bull Racing take this legal action? What are the possibilities?

Helmut Marko had been quite clear earlier and Christian Horner was also adamant: "If you put a driver in hospital and you still win the GP, even with the penalty, it doesn't feel like a penalty," Horner said after Hamilton's win. Red Bull has 14 days to submit a letter of intent for the right to reassess to the FIA, according to Motorsport-magazin.com. If they decide to do so, the stewards of the race in question must first rule on whether the evidence presented is important and new. If so, the case will be reopened.

https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/89662...s-succeed.html


Verstappen's crash financial blow for Red Bull, engine examined by Honda
20-07-2021 06:31 | Updated: 20-07-2021 09:04
by GPblog.com

A day after the crash there is an update on the condition of Max Verstappen. On Verstappen.com you can read that the Dutchman feels pretty good under the circumstances.

Verstappen ended up hard in the tyre wall during the British Grand Prix after a collision in Copse corner. Lewis Hamilton was on the inside of the Dutchman and with a tap on the rear wheel, Verstappen spun into the tyre wall with a 51g impact. A day after the crash, the Dutchman is doing well.

https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/89620...-by-honda.html


Horner says Mercedes’ lobbying of F1 stewards was “unacceptable”
F1
Lewis Larkam
20 Jul 2021

Red Bull Formula 1 team principal Christian Horner says Mercedes’ lobbying of the stewards during the British Grand Prix was “unacceptable” and should not be allowed.

Mercedes boss Toto Wolff visited the stewards to argue his team’s view of Lewis Hamilton and Max Verstappen’s controversial collision on the opening lap of Sunday’s race at Silverstone.

Horner later went to see the stewards in person himself after finding out that Wolff had been to put forward Mercedes’ case.

https://www.crash.net/f1/news/983473...s-unacceptable


Max Verstappen 'very motivated' after Lewis Hamilton crash costs Red Bull £650,000
Max Verstappen is hungry to bounce back after a crash with Lewis Hamilton at Silverstone which has cost Red Bull a huge amount of cash.
By Luke Gardener
PUBLISHED: 14:58, Tue, Jul 20, 2021 | UPDATED: 14:58, Tue, Jul 20, 2021

https://www.express.co.uk/sport/f1-a...0-Helmut-Marko

[truefan72]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rp0GG4y3is8&t=887s

so Palmer...Racing incident
What was interesting was the Saturday sprint race (40secs into the video) where on the same corner Hamilton was the one on the outside, slightly creeping ahead, and Verstappen then pushed his car from the inside apex to out wide, and Hamilton was wise enough not to simply turn in. I wonder where all those folks were lamenting Verstappen not keeping to the inside apex, knowing a car was on the outside. (specifically Hill and Button) lol...crickets.
Come Sunday, roles are reversed, and Hamilton keeps his inside line, and Verstappen simply turns in with no notion of giving room.
I'd say, it was a pretty clear cut. On Saturday, he ran him out-wide, on Sunday he tried to jam him inside.

Also included was the 2018 Sainz Grosjean incident on the same corner lap one, where Grosjean was right on the apex and curbs. Sainz turned in anyway and they had a coming together.
That was deemed a racing incident.

I really think the stewards let their emotions get in the way of the actual facts.
Because that 2018 incident was way more problematic IMO and it still was a racing incident.
The only difference is that both cars were out.
I bet you if both Hamilton and Verstappen were out, they would say; "Racing incident" SMH

[truefan72]

Brundle: Red Bull claim to have damning Hamilton data
20th July 2021, ‎13‎:‎45

The Formula 1 pundit has revealed Red Bull have evidence that Lewis Hamilton entered Copse corner on lap one significantly quicker than any other time in the race.

Formula 1 pundit Martin Brundle has revealed that Red Bull have data to prove that Lewis Hamilton entered Copse corner on the first lap faster than any other occasion during the British Grand Prix.
Hamilton collided with title rival Max Verstappen on the opening lap at Copse at high-speed which resulted in the Red Bull driver retiring from the race. Red Bull are yet to rule out an appeal and Brundle says the team may have new evidence which would be needed to make an appeal to the FIA.
"Red Bull felt it was a professional foul, an intentional accident from Hamilton," Brundle wrote in his post-race Sky Sports F1 column. "They were incandescent, their potential world champion was bruised, their car expensively wrecked in this new cost cap era, and with possible grid penalties to come from any engine and ancillary damage.

"They would score zero points from the race and both championship leads would be seriously eroded. I am told by Red Bull there is data to prove Lewis was significantly faster into Copse than at any other time and he would not have made the corner without running wide, and inevitably contacting Max.
"Presumably, that will be made publicly available and if Red Bull feel they have 'new evidence' they may well make an appeal to the FIA as to their perceived degree of fault and leniency regarding Hamilton."
Brundle thinks the 10-second time penalty for Hamilton means the stewards saw it as a 70/30 incident with the blame, going towards the seven-time world champion. He also feels that a collision between Hamilton and Verstappen was inevitable.

Read MORE here;

https://racingnews365.com/brundle-re...-hamilton-data


Can Red Bull's lawsuit against Mercedes succeed?
20-07-2021 16:47 | Updated: 20-07-2021 17:06
by GPblog.com

Recently news emerged that Red Bull Racing is taking legal action against Mercedes regarding the time penalty the Briton received for his incident with Max Verstappen in the first lap of the Silverstone Grand Prix. But on what grounds can Red Bull Racing take this legal action? What are the possibilities?

Helmut Marko had been quite clear earlier and Christian Horner was also adamant: "If you put a driver in hospital and you still win the GP, even with the penalty, it doesn't feel like a penalty," Horner said after Hamilton's win. Red Bull has 14 days to submit a letter of intent for the right to reassess to the FIA, according to Motorsport-magazin.com. If they decide to do so, the stewards of the race in question must first rule on whether the evidence presented is important and new. If so, the case will be reopened.

https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/89662...s-succeed.html


Verstappen's crash financial blow for Red Bull, engine examined by Honda
20-07-2021 06:31 | Updated: 20-07-2021 09:04
by GPblog.com

A day after the crash there is an update on the condition of Max Verstappen. On Verstappen.com you can read that the Dutchman feels pretty good under the circumstances.

Verstappen ended up hard in the tyre wall during the British Grand Prix after a collision in Copse corner. Lewis Hamilton was on the inside of the Dutchman and with a tap on the rear wheel, Verstappen spun into the tyre wall with a 51g impact. A day after the crash, the Dutchman is doing well.

https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/89620...-by-honda.html


Horner says Mercedes’ lobbying of F1 stewards was “unacceptable”
F1
Lewis Larkam
20 Jul 2021

Red Bull Formula 1 team principal Christian Horner says Mercedes’ lobbying of the stewards during the British Grand Prix was “unacceptable” and should not be allowed.

Mercedes boss Toto Wolff visited the stewards to argue his team’s view of Lewis Hamilton and Max Verstappen’s controversial collision on the opening lap of Sunday’s race at Silverstone.

Horner later went to see the stewards in person himself after finding out that Wolff had been to put forward Mercedes’ case.

https://www.crash.net/f1/news/983473...s-unacceptable


Max Verstappen 'very motivated' after Lewis Hamilton crash costs Red Bull £650,000
Max Verstappen is hungry to bounce back after a crash with Lewis Hamilton at Silverstone which has cost Red Bull a huge amount of cash.
By Luke Gardener
PUBLISHED: 14:58, Tue, Jul 20, 2021 | UPDATED: 14:58, Tue, Jul 20, 2021

https://www.express.co.uk/sport/f1-a...0-Helmut-Marko

Are you looking for a PR job with Red Bull?
spamming this forum seems like the least likely route to go.
lol

[Nitrodaze]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rp0GG4y3is8&t=887s

so Palmer...Racing incident
What was interesting was the Saturday sprint race (40secs into the video) where on the same corner Hamilton was the one on the outside, slightly creeping ahead, and Verstappen then pushed his car from the inside apex to out wide, and Hamilton was wise enough not to simply turn in. I wonder where all those folks were lamenting Verstappen not keeping to the inside apex, knowing a car was on the outside. (specifically Hill and Button) lol...crickets.
Come Sunday, roles are reversed, and Hamilton keeps his inside line, and Verstappen simply turns in with no notion of giving room.
I'd say, it was a pretty clear cut. On Saturday, he ran him out-wide, on Sunday he tried to jam him inside.

Also included was the 2018 Sainz Grosjean incident on the same corner lap one, where Grosjean was right on the apex and curbs. Sainz turned in anyway and they had a coming together.
That was deemed a racing incident.

I really think the stewards let their emotions get in the way of the actual facts.
Because that 2018 incident was way more problematic IMO and it still was a racing incident.
The only difference is that both cars were out.
I bet you if both Hamilton and Verstappen were out, they would say; "Racing incident" SMH

That was a fair and very objective analysis. It is what it is.

Redbull supporters and Hamilton haters would refuse to see it as it is; obviously. But we move to the next one.

[Nitrodaze]

Are you looking for a PR job with Red Bull?
spamming this forum seems like the least likely route to go.
lol

Ha ha LOL

Just another clown.

[The Black Knight]

Great analysis from Jolyon there. It shows Lewis has a brain and used it on Saturday, Max didn't use his on Sunday.

We're also forgetting about Ocon in Brazil with Max. Although I regard it largely as Ocon's fault, mainly because he was lapped, Max could have given more room. Hamilton after the race said you always give the guy on the inside room. Just like in 2018 it appears Max has learned nothing.

[Bagwan]

I'd say it's around 70/30 in the incident , aligning with what Brundle read the FIA steward's decision to be , in terms of how the world press are seeing it .
And , a great number of articles being written from all kinds of places are seeing the penalty as too small .

Of course you folks defending Lewis will "poo poo" this post , but do look around and see you are in a great minority in your opinions on this one .

[Bagwan]

Great analysis from Jolyon there. It shows Lewis has a brain and used it on Saturday, Max didn't use his on Sunday.

We're also forgetting about Ocon in Brazil with Max. Although I regard it largely as Ocon's fault, mainly because he was lapped, Max could have given more room. Hamilton after the race said you always give the guy on the inside room. Just like in 2018 it appears Max has learned nothing.

Seriously ?
Max had no blame in that one .
Ocon was a complete tool there .

They should have let Max get to him in the garage .

[Nitrodaze]

I'd say it's around 70/30 in the incident , aligning with what Brundle read the FIA steward's decision to be , in terms of how the world press are seeing it .
And , a great number of articles being written from all kinds of places are seeing the penalty as too small .

Of course you folks defending Lewis will "poo poo" this post , but do look around and see you are in a great minority in your opinions on this one .

I don't think the argument is to defend Hamilton per se. It is to state that it was a racing incident. And on this point, you would find most of the racing experts agree. Including Brundle.

What most anti-Hamilton post on here has been trying to peddle, is that it was solely Hamilton's fault. And they begrudge him the fact that he won the race even with the penalty awarded.

I and most posts on here refuting that notion and are simply saying it was a racing incident, and Verstappen was not an innocent party in the accident. The Palmer youtube podcast indicated more serious similar collisions in the past that were declared a racing incident and thus were not punished.

If you are quoting from Fortitude's random sources which are mostly from non-racing specialists or Redbull's rhetorics, then l would have to say you have disappointed me.