2021 Race 10 - British Grand Prix

[Zico]

What's a black basher?

Did you not watch the British GP?

[Big Ben]

Did you not watch the British GP?

No, only the highlights.

[Fortitude]

Red Bull lodge request for the FIA to review Hamilton penalty following Silverstone clash with Verstappen
27th July 2021

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/a...GynnHVVo4.html


FIA, Formula 1 Will Hear Red Bull's Case against Lewis Hamilton on Thursday
Hearing to examine 10-second penalty levied against Hamilton for Verstappen crash at Silverstone
BY MIKE PRYSON
Jul 27, 2021

The FIA and Formula 1 officials have called for a hearing on Thursday to discuss the matter of the 10-second penalty handed to Mercedes' Lewis Hamilton after contact between Hamilton's car and Max Verstappen's car at Silverstone.

https://www.autoweek.com/racing/form...n-on-thursday/


Honda ‘give back’ with Red Bull engine request
Date published: July 27 2021 - Jamie Woodhouse

Honda felt obliged to accept Red Bull’s request for the 2022 engine due to their “huge appreciation” towards Helmut Marko and Franz Tost.

The Japanese manufacturer will leave Formula 1 at the end of 2021, which led to the formation of Red Bull Powertrains to take over engine development for the Red Bull and AlphaTauri teams.

But for 2022, the engines will still come from Honda’s Sakura base at the request of Red Bull in what will be a transitional year.

And when the request came, Honda’s F1 managing director Masashi Yamamoto told BBC Sport the manufacturer felt “huge admiration” for Red Bull’s driver programme chief Marko and AlphaTauri boss Tost, and so the desire to give back.

“They have believed in Honda, so we have to give something back to them,” he said.

“We will finish our F1 project on December 31 this year. However, we got the request from Red Bull and Alpha Tauri, which is nice, that they want to be competitive, so they want us to co-operate.

“Therefore we are now discussing how to co-operate with them in order to make them keep competitive.”

https://www.planetf1.com/news/honda-...-request-2022/


Will Red Bull succeed again in earning a tougher penalty for Hamilton?
2021 F1 season
Posted on
28th July 2021, 7:1928th July 2021, 1:22 | Written by Keith Collantine

Tomorrow the FIA stewards will deliberate Red Bull’s petition for a review of the penalty decision against Lewis Hamilton during the last race at Silverstone.

It’s safe to assume the world championship leaders do not believe their closest rival’s 10-second time penalty, and two penalty points, was too harsh. Having been powerless to stop him winning the British Grand Prix following his first lap collision with Max Verstappen, which left a severely damaged RB16B in the Copse barrier, Red Bull is seeking any possible benefit from a clash which, as it stands, has cost them dearly.

The top prize for Red Bull would be a tougher penalty for Hamilton which redresses the balance of the 24-point swing in his favour which occured last time out. Failing that, another penalty point which edges Hamilton that bit closer to the threat of an automatic ban would be some recompense. If nothing else, they’re throwing another distraction at rivals Mercedes.

https://www.racefans.net/2021/07/28/...-for-hamilton/


Verstappen set to testify in Red Bull protest
JULY 28, 2021

Much more seriously, meanwhile, the FIA confirmed that Red Bull did indeed follow up on its threat to formally dissent from Hamilton’s 10-second in-race penalty for causing the crash – which still enabled him to win the race.

The document called on Red Bull’s team manager “and such witnesses as the competitor may request” to appear for the protest hearing via video link at 4pm local time in Hungary on Thursday.

Early speculation is that the ‘new evidence’ that Red Bull would need to proffer to be successful is the personal testimony of Verstappen.
“I know what happened at Silverstone as I was in the car,” Verstappen said on Tuesday, “and obviously I feel a certain way about how my race ended.

https://grandpx.news/verstappen-set-...-bull-protest/

[Nitrodaze]

Redbull is pathetic really. What sore losers?

That said, we get to see this process in action. As l have never heard or seen the steward's decision challenged like this since the beginning of the hybrid era at least. This sitting of the review board gives us a test of what racing is going to be like in the new era where racing is going to be closer than we currently experience. Hence, would be prone to more crashes of this nature. Are we going to be seeing a long line to the review board in the future?

There is the other dynamic as well. Mercedes being largely punished by the 2021 regulation, how would they take a ruling that further punishes them for what they strongly believe was a racing incident that does not warrant a penalty in the first place.

[Bagwan]

I ain't

There you go again .

[Fortitude]

Marko: New evidence will put crash in ‘slightly different light’
By: Luke Smith
Jul 28, 2021, 2:37 PM

Helmut Marko believes new evidence brought by Red Bull to Thursday’s FIA hearing will put the Formula 1 crash between Max Verstappen and Lewis Hamilton in a “slightly different light”.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/m...crash/6637969/


HELMUT MARKO
Marko still calling for Hamilton race ban

Author Nigel Chiu

The Red Bull advisor is urging for Lewis Hamilton to be suspended after Red Bull lodged a petition to request a review of the penalty that was given to the Mercedes driver at the British Grand Prix.

https://racingnews365.com/marko-stil...ilton-race-ban


Red Bull strategy important weapon: 'Always have an idea what to do'.
28-07-2021 13:17 | Updated: 28-07-2021 13:19
by GPblog.com

The strategy during the race is next to the drivers that are in the cars and the car that is being developed is the most important part of the race. A part with which, as we have seen a few times this year, races can be won.

In an article on Red bull's website, Head of Race Strategy Will Courtenay and Senior Strategy Engineer Hannah Schmitz elaborate on what is involved in such a preparation.

https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/90164...hat-to-do.html


What evidence will Red Bull bring in? "Going to come up with GPS data"
28-07-2021 15:31 | Updated: 28-07-2021 16:00
by GPblog.com

Martin Brundle suspects that Red Bull Racing will come up with GPS data from Lewis Hamilton to convince the stewards that a heavier penalty for the British driver of Mercedes would be justified. The decision on whether the ten-second penalty should remain, be reduced or be increased is unlikely to be made before Thursday.

"It’s really hard to get new information that the stewards haven’t seen because they’ve got incredible amounts of data coming off the car and different video angles and lots of stuff we don’t get access to," Brundle stated for his employer Sky Sports. Only when there is new evidence will the stewards reconsider their judgement, but it's a long process.

https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/90178...-gps-data.html


F1 legend Martin Brundle explains what Red Bull must do to win Lewis Hamilton crash appeal
The legendary broadcaster has explained how he thinks Red Bull could try and make Formula 1 worsen Hamilton's punishment with their appeal.
By Matt Foster
PUBLISHED: 14:54, Wed, Jul 28, 2021 | UPDATED: 14:54, Wed, Jul 28, 2021

Martin Brundle has offered his expert opinion on what Red Bull need to do to successfully increase Lewis Hamilton’s punishment for his involvement in a crash with Max Verstappen at Silverstone. The crash forced Verstappen out of the race, while Hamilton overcame his original 10-second penalty to win the race.

https://www.express.co.uk/sport/f1-a...n-crash-appeal


Red Bull's Horner defends Hamilton comments after Wolff criticism
Ben Issatt
Formula 1
28 July 2021

Christian Horner has defended comments he made about Lewis Hamilton at the British Grand Prix.

The Red Bull chief slammed the seven-time world champion for, in his view, committing a "professional foul" when he made contact with Max Verstappen on the opening lap at Silverstone, sending the Dutchman into the barrier at high-speed.

Horner then went further calling Hamilton a "dirty driver" and hoped he was "very happy with himself" after a "hollow victory".

“But you only have to look at the fact Max has zero penalty points on his licence and has not been found guilty of any on-track misjudgements in recent years.

“The aggressive 17-year-old F1 rookie Max Verstappen that Hamilton is referring to is not the Max Verstappen of today, just as Hamilton is not the same driver he was when he entered the sport.

“Both drivers are, of course, uncompromising in their driving style, but they are both highly skilled drivers with a great deal of experience.

“The reality is that Hamilton has met his match in a car that is now competitive and I agree both drivers need to show each other respect, but Hamilton was the aggressor on Sunday.”

“I am still disappointed about the level of celebrations enjoyed in the wake of the accident,” he said.

“The Mercedes team were aware of the gravity of the crash, with Max widely reported as having been hospitalised and requiring further checks.

“It is unimaginable not to inform your driver of the situation, moreover to protect your driver in case they do not show the necessary restraint in celebrating, particularly when it was as a result of an incident he was penalised for.”

https://www.insideracing.com/formula...olff-criticism

[Zico]

Redbull is pathetic really. What sore losers?

That said, we get to see this process in action. As l have never heard or seen the steward's decision challenged like this since the beginning of the hybrid era at least. This sitting of the review board gives us a test of what racing is going to be like in the new era where racing is going to be closer than we currently experience. Hence, would be prone to more crashes of this nature. Are we going to be seeing a long line to the review board in the future?

There is the other dynamic as well. Mercedes being largely punished by the 2021 regulation, how would they take a ruling that further punishes them for what they strongly believe was a racing incident that does not warrant a penalty in the first place.

Well what do you expect? It has cost them in the region of £1.3m, not far off the seasons cost capped budget which has almost scuppered their chances for the championship this year.
I bet Merc would do the exact same.... in fact in lobbying the FIA to change the bendy wing test and in trying to remove RB's faster pitstop advantage by asking for the removal of their semi automated system under the false guise of safety, they have shown themselves to be no different... in fact I'd say even worse!

[Fortitude]

Red Bull to present ‘new facts’ in Thursday protest
ANDREW MAITLAND
JULY 29, 2021

Dr Helmut Marko is confident Red Bull will be able to put Max Verstappen’s Silverstone crash “in a different light” during an FIA hearing on Thursday.

The championship leaders are challenging Lewis Hamilton’s in-race, 10-second penalty for the clash that still enabled him to win the British GP.

Top official Dr Marko says the Austrian camp has “new evidence” ready that will “put the accident in a different light” when the video hearing takes place in Hungary.

“We are bringing new facts that were not available to us at the time the race was suspended,” the 78-year-old told RTL.

https://grandpx.news/red-bull-to-pre...rsday-protest/


Horner slates Mercedes "overly aggressive" Verstappen jibe as "unjustified"
Ewan Gale
Thursday 29 July 2021 04:00

Writing in his Red Bull column, Horner said: "I felt the narrative that Max was being ‘overly aggressive’ at that stage was unjustified.

"You only have to look at the fact Max has zero penalty points on his licence and has not been found guilty of any on-track misjudgements in recent years.

"The aggressive 17-year-old F1 rookie Max Verstappen that Hamilton is referring to is not the Max Verstappen of today, just as Hamilton is not the same driver he was when he entered the sport.

"Both drivers are of course uncompromising in their driving style, but they are both highly skilled drivers with a great deal of experience.

"The reality is that Hamilton has met his match in a car that is now competitive, and I agree that both drivers need to show each other respect, but Hamilton was the aggressor on Sunday."

https://www.gpfans.com/en/f1-news/67...s-unjustified/


Marko: New evidence will put Silverstone crash in 'different light'
Phillip van Osten29/07/2021 at 08:58

Red Bull is hopeful that new evidence introduced to the FIA stewards on Thursday will put the crash between Max Verstappen and Lewis Hamilton at Silverstone in a "slightly different light".

"Those facts will be brought forward on Thursday, and we hope that that will [result in] a reassessment, because we still think that this penalty was too lenient for Hamilton," Marko said.

The Austrian added that Red Bull's "completely different opinion" regarding Hamilton's responsibility in the collision would be "proven with footage".

"The crux of the matter is that we bring new evidence, new facts," said Marko. "But I can't reveal these details."

https://f1i.com/news/413419-marko-ne...ent-light.html

[Nitrodaze]

Well what do you expect? It has cost them in the region of £1.3m, not far off the seasons cost capped budget which has almost scuppered their chances for the championship this year.
I bet Merc would do the exact same.... in fact in lobbying the FIA to change the bendy wing test and in trying to remove RB's faster pitstop advantage by asking for the removal of their semi automated system under the false guise of safety, they have shown themselves to be no different... in fact I'd say even worse!

At least try to know what you are talking about. The cost cap is $145m which puts the cost of the crash at about 1% of the Redbull budget for the 2021 season. About the bendy wings, the Mercedes wings bend too. I doubt Mercedes had anything to do with the pitstop rule change.

We see here the measure of your overreaction to the crash.

[Zico]

At least try to know what you are talking about. The cost cap is $145m which puts the cost of the crash at about 1% of the Redbull budget for the 2021 season. About the bendy wings, the Mercedes wings bend too. I doubt Mercedes had anything to do with the pitstop rule change.

We see here the measure of your overreaction to the crash.

I meant to say half of their budget set aside for developing this seasons car not the 22 car.
Horner talked about a £2.5m figure in one of the videos about it putting a huge dent in their development finances but if he's wrong on that you should call him and tell him. I'd have thought he'd know his figures though.

The Merc wings bend too is your self defeating argument? Doesn't that make it even more pathetic?

Re- the pit stop rule change, Wolff admitted they 'may' have had a part in bringing in the rule change but denied it was aimed at slowing down RB.

https://www.racefans.net/2021/06/25/...es-last-month/