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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitrodaze View Post
    How did work that one out? He put Hamilton in 7th in the first place. Yellow flags say get out of the way but he parks on the racing line forcing Hamilton to pass on the wet side that caused him to slide off track. He was a pain to Mercedes at this race.
    The real pain was Bottas. Toto acknowledged that Bottas should have never been down in that position where he could be bothered by a Williams car.

    Toto also said

    “It was quite a move on the DRS, but I guess when a driver doesn’t go for a gap, he isn’t a racing driver,” Wolff says.
    My bet Toto has more respect for Russell for being "race driver" than for Bottas being a "sunday afternoon" driver.

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    Jolyan Palmer does analysis on F1 youtube channel of the Russel-Bottas and Hamilton-Norris passes. They both tried passing pretty much at the same time. He shows dual window video, very similiar moves by the defending driver and pass. Difference was Russel was just got a little further to the right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by F1nKS View Post
    The real pain was Bottas. Toto acknowledged that Bottas should have never been down in that position where he could be bothered by a Williams car.

    Toto also said



    My bet Toto has more respect for Russell for being "race driver" than for Bottas being a "sunday afternoon" driver.
    The move would have been more respectable if he had completed it without an accident. A badly executed move do not deserve any respect. I am sure he would learn from this and do better next time. But this one shall stay in his mind for years to come. Bottas just seem like he has given up trying. At this rate, he would not justify his place in the 2nd Mercedes car.

    But this accident has raised some doubt about Russell's promotion into a Mercedes seat. He has competition from Stoffel Vandoorne and Estaban Ocon for that seat. Ocon is doing just as good a job as he is doing at Williams. Hence, it is not a foregone conclusion that the seat is going to be his. Russell needs to spend the rest of the season winning back Toto and Mercedes' confidence in him.

    There is driving fast and there is racecraft.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitrodaze View Post

    But this accident has raised some doubt about Russell's promotion into a Mercedes seat.
    This is drama queen material. A accident on a wet track doesn't raise some mega doubt. If it did, then you should have doubt with Hamilton also, his attempt to pass was even more suspect, because he got impatient, the only difference was he got lucky and didn't take anybody out and was able to stay in the game.

    He has competition from Stoffel Vandoorne
    You must be a comedian in real life. Gonna give the seat to guy who been out of F1 for 3 years?

    and Estaban Ocon for that seat. Ocon is doing just as good a job as he is doing at Williams.
    Yeah, everybody talks about how good Ocon is.....well only if everybody is his MOM. Ocon got whipped last year and only thing that makes Ocon look good this year is Alonso.

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    Quote Originally Posted by F1nKS View Post
    This is drama queen material. A accident on a wet track doesn't raise some mega doubt. If it did, then you should have doubt with Hamilton also, his attempt to pass was even more suspect, because he got impatient, the only difference was he got lucky and didn't take anybody out and was able to stay in the game.



    You must be a comedian in real life. Gonna give the seat to guy who been out of F1 for 3 years?



    Yeah, everybody talks about how good Ocon is.....well only if everybody is his MOM. Ocon got whipped last year and only thing that makes Ocon look good this year is Alonso.
    Calm down, dude. Notice the use of the words "SOME DOUBT". No suggestion that he has been completely ruled out. He just has to work towards proving the point that he is still their man of the future. You also grossly underestimate both Vandoorne and Ocon. And fail to realize that there are other very talented young drivers eyeing that seat; for instance, race winner Gasly. Ocon showed he may have done just as good a job in the Mercedes at Bahrain last year by finishing third ahead of Russell [in the Mercedes]. It might not seem like it, but there are very stiff competition for that seat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitrodaze View Post
    Calm down, dude. Notice the use of the words "SOME DOUBT". No suggestion that he has been completely ruled out. He just has to work towards proving the point that he is still their man of the future. You also grossly underestimate both Vandoorne and Ocon. And fail to realize that there are other very talented young drivers eyeing that seat; for instance, race winner Gasly. Ocon showed he may have done just as good a job in the Mercedes at Bahrain last year by finishing third ahead of Russell [in the Mercedes]. It might not seem like it, but there is very stiff competition for that seat.
    I'm sure there are some young guy eyeing that seat like Max or Norris along with George. But hey, if Mercedes is really eyeing Vandorne or Ocon or Gasly....power to them. Let the Red Bull dominance begin.

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    VERY interesting column on TJ13 The Judge;

    Hamilton: Huge miss by the stewards at Imola

    April 26, 2021 · by thejudge13 · in Daily F1 News and Comment.

    So, reversing onto a live track with cars passing at 304kph is safe. Reversing in the pit lane is not, and punishable by the stewards; wheels not on cars 5 minutes before is also a risk to life and limb clearly.

    FIA incompetence in adjudicating F1 races not acceptable, and the Formula 1 2021 Emilia Romagna Grand Prix at Imola in Italy was a prime example – “A comic dramatic work using buffoonery and horseplay and typically including crude characterization and ludicrously improbable situations.”

    Read MORE here;

    https://thejudge13.com/2021/04/26/ha...ards-at-imola/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fortitude View Post
    VERY interesting column on TJ13 The Judge;

    Hamilton: Huge miss by the stewards at Imola

    April 26, 2021 · by thejudge13 · in Daily F1 News and Comment.

    So, reversing onto a live track with cars passing at 304kph is safe. Reversing in the pit lane is not, and punishable by the stewards; wheels not on cars 5 minutes before is also a risk to life and limb clearly.

    FIA incompetence in adjudicating F1 races not acceptable, and the Formula 1 2021 Emilia Romagna Grand Prix at Imola in Italy was a prime example – “A comic dramatic work using buffoonery and horseplay and typically including crude characterization and ludicrously improbable situations.”

    Read MORE here;

    https://thejudge13.com/2021/04/26/ha...ards-at-imola/
    Interesting read but full of shite really. Firstly, it is very disparaging to the stewards. As much we find fault regularly with the office of the stewards, it is very misguiding to suggest that they are busy swigging whisky and hurdled in the kitchen having sausage rolls while the race is ongoing.

    The discretion of the stewards can be quite cryptic at times, but it is nonetheless their discretion to choose which incidents they punish and which they ignore. Besides the two circumstances that the article referred to, are two very different scenarios. Manoeuvring back onto the track is difficult at best with the very limited visibility available to the diver. Reversing in the pit lane involves the driver and his pit crew. There is more spatial awareness present in this circumstance and better control to ensure compliance with pitlane rules. That said, there has been a clear indication that the office of the stewards have it in for Aston Martin, since last two season at least.

    What l fail to see in the article is a good reason why Hamiltons reversal onto the track was a reckless act that should have been punished. Besides, there were lots of similar incidents over the weekend and none were punished. Hence the stewards were actually consistent on this occasion.
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