Rally1 hybrid cars (2022-)

[Rallyper]

Well, I don´t change my mind about the car looking heavy and slow. Maybe they just drove in cruising mode, I don´t know...

[EstWRC]

https://twitter.com/HMSGOfficial/sta...19679063453702

Hyundai Rally1 introduced soon?

yep.

more https://twitter.com/HMSGOfficial/sta...330329089?s=20
https://twitter.com/HMSGOfficial/sta...904363008?s=20

[HKSjbg]

yep.

more https://twitter.com/HMSGOfficial/sta...330329089?s=20
https://twitter.com/HMSGOfficial/sta...904363008?s=20

In that second video you can see just the one door handle. So will they use the ‘scaling’ rule to make a 5-door road car fit onto a 3-door shape? Or is this a mule of the current WRC with body panels and lights from the new car?

[spyros]

Its the new i20.

[lmmjvss]

so many drivers out there (evans, rovampera, neuville, tanak, suninen, meeke, sordo, breen, febvre, lappi, paddon, mikkelsen, ostberg, formaux, kajetan, ingram, solberg, kopecky, lukyanuk...) capable of being racing in the top class... but we have so few cars =[
Any indications that teams will all have at least 3 cars for every round? Will MSport produce some extra cars for "privateers"?

[Jarek Z]

so many drivers out there (evans, rovampera, neuville, tanak, suninen, meeke, sordo, breen, febvre, lappi, paddon, mikkelsen, ostberg, formaux, kajetan, ingram, solberg, kopecky, lukyanuk...) capable of being racing in the top class... but we have so few cars

Yes, that's true. It always makes me sad

[lmmjvss]

Random thought...
If we could put Formula-e's engines and batteries on a "roll cage" with some panels to make it looks like a Skoda or a Fiesta... How many stages would that car be able to run? I mean, Formula-e races have 45min on medium to high performance power. If this "eRally car" could run in some of the WRC stages. Like 4 stages per day - Two in the morning, charge/change batteries, two in the afternoon - Couldnt WRC already try an electric class just for the sake of it? Like MotoGP have its own electric class.
I mean... it could even be as powerfull as the R5s or the top class, but running less stages. Maybe just the first loop of the day.

[wyler]

Random thought...
If we could put Formula-e's engines and batteries on a "roll cage" with some panels to make it looks like a Skoda or a Fiesta... How many stages would that car be able to run? I mean, Formula-e races have 45min on medium to high performance power. If this "eRally car" could run in some of the WRC stages. Like 4 stages per day - Two in the morning, charge/change batteries, two in the afternoon - Couldnt WRC already try an electric class just for the sake of it? Like MotoGP have its own electric class.
I mean... it could even be as powerfull as the R5s or the top class, but running less stages. Maybe just the first loop of the day.

in Germany there's the opel corsa ev cup along national rally

[Mirek]

Random thought...
If we could put Formula-e's engines and batteries on a "roll cage" with some panels to make it looks like a Skoda or a Fiesta... How many stages would that car be able to run? I mean, Formula-e races have 45min on medium to high performance power. If this "eRally car" could run in some of the WRC stages. Like 4 stages per day - Two in the morning, charge/change batteries, two in the afternoon - Couldnt WRC already try an electric class just for the sake of it? Like MotoGP have its own electric class.
I mean... it could even be as powerfull as the R5s or the top class, but running less stages. Maybe just the first loop of the day.

That's difficult to estimate. We don't know what is the average power delivered in WRC stage, neither we know what is the average braking power in a WRC stage (and for sure the values from stage to stage will float way more than on circuits). Recuperation data are not available even for Formula E, therefore we can not use even that for some simple math.

54 kWh battery (385 kg weight), with 200 kW maximum output that makes 16 minutes of full output without recuperation.

The easiest we can do is to estimate liaisons. The real power consumption of EVs in traffic per ADAC testing is between 15 to 24 kWh/100 km (from Ionic to Tesla X). Let's take 20 kW/h. In that case the battery is large enough for 270 km of liaison cruising without reserve.

If we consider that the Formula E drives for 45 minutes it means their average power output (minus recuperation) is lower than 72 kW, let's say 70 kW because on circuit they can finish with nearly dry battery. Now let's estimate the same conditions for the rally car, i.e. average delivered power 70 kW (95 Hp) with peak power 200 kW (272 Hp). If we take an average speed of a WRC stage to 100 km/h it means they can do 75 km of stages - without reserve and without liaisons.

But the Formula E weights only 900 kg which is completely unreal for a rally car. With nearly 400 kg of batteries the rally car would be probably around 1400-1500 kg heavy.

What we can take from that is that a rally car with Formula E battery which would be able to do let's say 50 km of stages + 100 km liasion on one battery would be for sure slower than Rally2.

[lmmjvss]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13R9hF0z8Ss&t=1s

Juho in the new Toyota 2022. The car is the 2020 with some new air intakes