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    Could it be so simple, they found out hybrid parts doesn´t have enough strength for rallying? More suitable to cruising on highway roads, like most of average Joe´s cars do?

    Also worrying about safety, as been the discussion here a lot...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rallyper View Post
    Could it be so simple, they found out hybrid parts doesn´t have enough strength for rallying? More suitable to cruising on highway roads, like most of average Joe´s cars do?

    Also worrying about safety, as been the discussion here a lot...
    IMHO Issues were to be expected simply because there is too little prior experience to base the design work on. It's most likely solvable but it will take some time. Hoping for smooth development of something new where everything works perfect on the first attempt is nothing more than a wishful thinking. Always some problems rise and often it's problems which weren't anticipated. For sure it will be very tough to fulfil the schedule but that's hardly breaking news.
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    I saw on Facebook lots of fans "HAPPY" with this. I AM on the "team non-hybrids please" too but IDK man. If the Hybrids are delayed or cancelled im not sure the manufacturers would continue. I mean, arent the manufacturers the ones demanding Hybrids? Hyundai would quit for sure... And IDK, Toyota was already testing that new car and it got cancelled. Now if they delay the hybrids more couldnt Toyota just say "AGAIN? Well, this is BS. You have no control of your own championship. We are out. Bye" ?
    Not to mention MSport without any money..

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    Yep, if Hybrids were to be cancelled or delayed, at "best" we will continue like this year with 2 competitive teams. At worst one or both will leave and not come back and you get WEC situation when Porsche left and further down the road you get WRC changed to Rally2 only.


    That there might be problems is to be expected.... and anticipated in schedule. "Schedule" during 2020/2021 is a problematic word though.

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    Don't worry, everything is okay.

    “We started the development of this in May last year, we still have a very strong crisis all over the world and 10 months later the first system is delivered – from my side this is a great success.” - Oliver Blamberger, CEO

    I'm sure that Toyota(as the ,,father,, of hybrid tech) wouldn't accept that the system used in WRC is worse than their own. Not the best PR to attract new manus to the series.

    Matton should think of stepping aside..

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    some more info

    Despite this, anonymous sources from the teams have confided to the aforementioned medium that some parts of the hybrid unit were not working correctly. In addition, an informant admitted that there is even a lack of software to control the device and that they have not even received an external charger, which is a fundamental piece.

    In dialogue with DirtFish, Compact Dynamics CEO Oliver Blamberger acknowledged last month that the global pandemic had caused a five-week delay from the scheduled date for delivering hybrid units to WRC teams.

    Likewise, the manager stated that the biggest cause of the delays was linked to suppliers from China and from various countries around the world. These companies contribute various elements of the device and have been chosen for their competitive prices, so that the total cost of the hybrid unit does not exceed 100,000 euros.

    In addition, the CEO of Compact Dynamics also revealed that there were other additional delays at the German - Austrian border, where the battery sub-supplier, Kreisel Electric, also had difficulty in shipping its components.

    As detailed by Blamberger, the hybrid unit can be tested, both in vehicles and on a test bench, since it has a generator function with the internal combustion of the heat engine, which in theory means that the using the external charger.

    However, the CEO of Compact Dynamics also acknowledged in March that the company still owed the delivery of two additional test systems. The first of them included the external charger so requested by the teams, which was agreed to be distributed at the end of March. On the other hand, Blamberger reported that the second system should finish being delivered to the teams this week.

    So far, only M-Sport and Toyota have been able to start the tests with their respective Rally1. The British team already got its engine running for the first time last month, before facing a car installation shakedown and initial functional test, which spanned two days and over 400 kilometers in the forests of Greystoke. The most recent reports indicated that the new transmission, suspension and electronics would have been tested on a Ford Fiesta ‘mule’ body.

    http://motorboxradio.com.ar/2021/04/...recall-masivo/

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    Quote Originally Posted by dimviii View Post
    the biggest cause of the delays was linked to suppliers from China and from various countries around the world. These companies contribute various elements of the device and have been chosen for their competitive prices, so that the total cost of the hybrid unit does not exceed 100,000 euros.
    This means that three manufacturers will depend on some low-cost Chinese suppliers for the success of their whole rallying projects and their ability to finish an Acropolis or Monte, in order to save a few thousand euros??? Is this a joke?
    Last edited by scn; 18th April 2021 at 06:16.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scn View Post
    This means that three manufacturers will depend on some low-cost Chinese suppliers for the success of their whole rallying projects and their ability to finish an Acropolis or Monte, in order to save a few thousand euros??? Is this a joke?
    Basically every car on this planet does depend on Chinese low cost suppliers. That's how it is.
    Stupid is as stupid does. Forrest Gump

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    Don't forget the special time we live in right now. Strange things are happening... A few months ago the Audi plant in Brussels had to shut down for a while, because they couldn't get hold of some parts (microchips). Sony launched some new Playstation last year, they can't meet the demand because lack of supply for the right parts. Price of many resources have skyrocketed (for example steel price roughly x4 compared to last summer), prices of container transport from China x5 to x10 depending on the type.

    Seeing how huge companies struggle to get hold of parts for their production, I think it's short-sighted to blame Compact Dynamics themselves for the delay.

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    M-Sport Ford would exit WRC if new hybrid rules are delayed

    https://www.motorsport.com/wrc/news/...layed/6399591/
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