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    Quote Originally Posted by doubled1978 View Post
    It’s not the tech that’s interesting to them, it’s the ability to go and win some of the big races for a fraction of the cost required previously, while still being on message with hybrid etc.
    The LMDh cars will likely be sold as customer cars as well, making the whole thing potentially cost neutral.
    Le Mans/WEC/IMSA have finally come up with something that sports cars have needed for ever basically, a low cost (relatively), development capped (BOP) , global formula.
    The grid of Le Mans 2023 will be pretty impressive, and they ‘should’ all be competitive through BOP.
    It should be epic - the only fly in the ointment could be the BoP - but we'll wait and see about that, as it can/could get a bit political. However, they're doing something right - and rumours that GM are showing interest.
    Yet the WRC has just 3 manufacturers......something isn't working for the WRC.

    Is there a better sound than that of Porsche engined Flat-6 ???

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    McLaren is also joining ExtremeE. Their CEO posted a video and he said “sustainability” numerous times. This is what manufacturers want to “sell”. Sustainability and diversity. We have no other option in WRC if we want manufacturers to join. WRC needs to “sell” sustainability and diversity.

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    Alejandro Agag is also releasing a new electric championship with e-boats haha Its called e1 series, with electric powerboats or something like that. Theres also a new "eSkootr" (scooters) championship about to be released and the "electric touring car championship" (pure etcr - soon to be renamed as e-tc world cup) starts next weekend. I guess you guys are right... its all about the "Message".... even knowing that no one will save the planet by creating more and more expensive racing championships... It pisses me off cuz racing has this huuuge potential of being the plattform for battery development... but nope. Its all spec.
    Things are weird

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    WRC needs to get realistic about the cost to compete, the series was 1 Hyundai board decision away from having just Toyota and MSport competing, with cars too expensive for privateers to run to make the numbers up as we had with Citroen/Ford.
    WRC gets away with a lot, because it’s not circuit racing and offers something different, but things like Exteme-E will put pressure on that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AndyRAC View Post
    It should be epic - the only fly in the ointment could be the BoP - but we'll wait and see about that, as it can/could get a bit political. However, they're doing something right - and rumours that GM are showing interest.
    Yet the WRC has just 3 manufacturers......something isn't working for the WRC.
    I'm dreading the BoP battles of that era. I fear it'll completely undermine the racing. Sportscar fans were always the biggest purists, I don't know how any of them can stomach the prospect of this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by traxx View Post
    Yves Matton ( https://www.autosport.com/wrc/news/w...-2022/6557994/ ) :

    "We have the main principles. Mainly it will be used on some road sections in full electric mode

    "It will be used at the start of the stage, also where you will have both hybrid and the internal combustion engine giving you full power, and then under conditions it will be used in the stage to bring in some performance to the car following different programmes that you will be able to fine-tune.

    "You will not have a button to use the power, it will be more a software and under conditions you will have the power.

    "You will have a number of different strategies that you will be able to choose but the driver will not be able to set up the strategies by themselves. The system we are working on is for all the stages."
    All I hope is that they dont have that stupid idea of "fan boost" or whatever they called it in Formula E. Having said that WRC+ is so unreliable nobody would be online to vote at the crucial times anyway....

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    A clip from the Toyota LMPH going from electric to the petrol engine. Nice sound
    https://9gag.com/gag/aV729wv

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    Quote Originally Posted by bomber21 View Post
    McLaren is also joining ExtremeE. Their CEO posted a video and he said “sustainability” numerous times. This is what manufacturers want to “sell”. Sustainability and diversity. We have no other option in WRC if we want manufacturers to join. WRC needs to “sell” sustainability and diversity.
    The problem of WRC is that at our current technological level it can not be run with what the manufacturers want to promote. It's not much about will but more about technological limitations.
    Last edited by Mirek; 11th June 2021 at 16:47.
    Stupid is as stupid does. Forrest Gump

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    Quote Originally Posted by doubled1978 View Post
    WRC needs to get realistic about the cost to compete, the series was 1 Hyundai board decision away from having just Toyota and M-Sport competing, with cars too expensive for privateers to run to make the numbers up as we had with Citroen/Ford.
    WRC gets away with a lot, because it’s not circuit racing and offers something different, but things like Extreme-E will put pressure on that.
    You could argue, that possibly, currently, it's not offering anything different enough....And the returns just aren't worth it. But Matton seems to think it will be all okay....

    Is there a better sound than that of Porsche engined Flat-6 ???

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    https://www.autosport.com/wrc/news/w...-2022/6557994/

    Hybrid boost not used through button but software

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