Rally1 hybrid cars (2022-)

[Mirek]

Here you just totally contradicted yourself in your own post.

There were claims that it will be used to travel on the road sections. For that use it is tiny. But I agree that fully electric powered road sections were nonsense from the very beginning.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

I think we can say that. You have Yaris, i20 and Fiesta. All are shape-wise, bodyshell-wise and originating a bit from "production/road" cars.

The WRC cars have been production-based since Group A but the 2022 Rally1's are a spaceframe, with panels looking like a certain road car re-sized to to fit.

[AnttiL]

Group B cars were also "production based". There were 200 of each model built and you could buy a street version, complete with turbo and 4WD and spoilers etc.

[Mirek]

The WRC cars have been production-based since Group A but the 2022 Rally1's are a spaceframe, with panels looking like a certain road car re-sized to to fit.

Group B cars were also "production based". There were 200 of each model built and you could buy a street version, complete with turbo and 4WD and spoilers etc.

The irony is that Group B were more production-based than WRC

WRC basically only looked like production based. Making them space-frame prototypes hurts nothing and noone.

[scn]

When Malcolm talks about "production based cars", I assume that he refers not only to the panels that make the car look like a production model, but to a very important change for 2022: Regulations for Rally1 will follow the same route as R5, making mandatory the use of a specific number of production components. Maybe not 5000 components, as in a R5 car, but a rather big number also. Such a rule does not exist in any other form of top motorsport, not only F1, but also rallycross, Le Mans prototypes, Dakar etc. From this aspect, the 2022 cars will indeed be "production based".

[TypeR]

Better not to say anything against the new superb revolutionary system... or you get a long novel about this&that..

Same three manus secured for next 3 years with 10 y.o system is a big win!.. or not

If no other manu has signed for the next gen era.. some (FIA) people should walk away and give their place to someone sharper..

[Mirek]

Better not to say anything against the new superb revolutionary system... or you get a long novel about this&that..

Same three manus secured for next 3 years with 10 y.o system is a big win!.. or not

If no other manu has signed for the next gen era.. some (FIA) people should walk away and give their place to someone sharper..

Talking is cheap.

[Francis44]

Talking is cheap.

Exactly, Rallycross is a good example of that.

WEC rules arent "revolutionary" as well but look how much interest they gathered.

[AndyRAC]

Exactly, Rallycross is a good example of that.

WEC rules arent "revolutionary" as well but look how much interest they gathered.

Exactly! The first hybrid rules were expensive, and unsustainable, so manufacturers left. They've had a rethink, and come up with a solution - and manufacturers have decided it's a good idea to join. Offer the manufacturers something, and they will consider it, and if they think it's a good fit, then they'll sign up.

As I've already said, the manufacturers are out there; sadly, the WRC isn't offering anything to new prospective manufacturers - so we have the same 3 we already have.

[wyler]

3 is still better than the 2 we had last season...