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    This week should be the week for the vote on the engine freeze and Red Bulls future, right?

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    Evidently the vote on the engine freeze didn't take place. Next meeting it can be voted on is February 11th. Red Bull representative said

    “The goodwill that existed on Friday for a vote no longer existed on Monday,” said a source at the team.
    I wouldn't be surprised to see Red Bull walk away from F1 and invest in other areas. My gut says the signing of Cheko is more about them "going for it" because they know that engine freeze is not likely to happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by F1nKS View Post
    Evidently the vote on the engine freeze didn't take place. Next meeting it can be voted on is February 11th. Red Bull representative said



    I wouldn't be surprised to see Red Bull walk away from F1 and invest in other areas. My gut says the signing of Cheko is more about them "going for it" because they know that engine freeze is not likely to happen.
    I would be surprised if they do. It would be a blatant anouncement of cowardice. They would be leaving because they can't hack it with Mercedes.

    Besides, there are rumours that they have reached an agreement with Honda to take over the Honda Engine development and current infrastracture and resources. It is all positive. Probably they may do what Brawn did with the Honda chassis and win a championship with a Honda engine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitrodaze View Post
    Besides, there are rumours that they have reached an agreement with Honda to take over the Honda Engine development and current infrastracture and resources. It is all positive. Probably they may do what Brawn did with the Honda chassis and win a championship with a Honda engine.
    More than rumors - Red Bull officially have said they have an agreement with Honda to take over control of the engine IP. But they have said that only workable for them if they get the engine freeze.

    https://www.autoweek.com/racing/form...22-and-beyond/

    Helmut Marko, is for the other teams and the FIA to agree to freeze engine development for the field. As for the Red Bull-Honda arrangement for 2022 and beyond, Marko told German media: "Everything has been settled between us. Everything is in the starting blocks.

    "The talks were very constructive, they were very, very accommodating, and it can be a very competitive engine in the future even without the official factory support. All that is left for the OK is when we have written proof from the FIA that the development freeze on the engine side is coming," he added.
    It possible that Marko is bluffing, even though he says he isn't. But with what COVID has done, it is now a different world out there now.

    Marko warned that if the freeze is not put in place, "that would make Red Bull drastically rethink its situation in Formula 1."

    "This is not blackmail," he said, adding that Red Bull does not have a plan B. "For reasons of reason and cost, an engine freeze is just the only way now with these ill-fated engines."

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    Quote Originally Posted by F1nKS View Post
    More than rumors - Red Bull officially have said they have an agreement with Honda to take over control of the engine IP. But they have said that only workable for them if they get the engine freeze.

    https://www.autoweek.com/racing/form...22-and-beyond/



    It possible that Marko is bluffing, even though he says he isn't. But with what COVID has done, it is now a different world out there now.
    Well, thankfully they didn't get it at the last meeting. An engine freeze only benefits Redbull and it would have been most detrimental to Ferrari that needs to develop a new engine after their previous one was ruled to be illegal. It also would not be beneficial to Renault that is working hard to close up the gap to Mercedes.

    It was an unreasonable request. It would be detrimental to their brand to quit F1 in this circumstances. Because there would be an unpleasant stigma that would result as a consequence.
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    Looks like Merc would be good either way. Renault, I don't know about. Though I suspect they'd like to further develop their P/U too. But yeah, Ferrari desperately need to develop their lump. Red Bull is a curious organization - and Marko is a curious fellow. One would think that a wise businessman would realize that the people you've worked to make enemies of over the years, with cute quips and sharp words, would not vote for anything that's in your favor.

    Red Bull is a shark like all the other F1 teams. And like all sharks, when one gets cut and starts bleeding in the water, the others simply move in and start feeding on him once he shows weakness. I'd hate to see F1 lose two good teams. But I'm guessing that Mateschitz and Marko will take what they're given, whine about it for awhile and keep racing. Could be wrong. But we'll see,
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    Engine Freeze for 2022 was approved.
    A proposal to freeze power unit development from 2022 has been given unanimous approval at a meeting of the Formula 1 Commission, with the FIA, Formula 1, the teams and the power unit manufacturers also aligning on lower cost, carbon neutral, sustainably fuelled hybrid units from 2025.

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    Quote Originally Posted by F1nKS View Post
    Engine Freeze for 2022 was approved.
    We would not know yet what it means for F1 at this point. But l personally find it a sad day for F1. All creative avenues have been finally sucked out from the formula. What would be left would be racing but not really formula one. Aerodynamicists have been reduced to tweakers and engine designers have been made mostly redundant. The art of designing innovative F1 cars is dying an agonizing death. To the mundane art of building a kit F1 car to specification.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitrodaze View Post
    We would not know yet what it means for F1 at this point. But l personally find it a sad day for F1. All creative avenues have been finally sucked out from the formula. What would be left would be racing but not really formula one. Aerodynamicists have been reduced to tweakers and engine designers have been made mostly redundant. The art of designing innovative F1 cars is dying an agonizing death. To the mundane art of building a kit F1 car to specification.
    Bring back Bernie Ecclestone and put him in charge.


    Bernie Ecclestone on his cut of F1 money
    Nov 8, 2017
    Graham Bensinger

    Bernie Ecclestone on the Concorde Agreement and how it created tremendous momentum to grow the sport of F1 racing. Plus, Bernie explains that other key players were originally happy to give him 30 percent of the profits.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvQauQWz7SY


    Bernie Ecclestone: My negotiating tactics
    Nov 8, 2017
    Graham Bensinger

    Former CEO of Formula 1, Bernie Ecclestone, offers thoughts on his reputation as a tough negotiator and why he valued handshake agreements over signed contracts.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJ-YA65Tm7g


    No Angel: The Secret Life of Bernie Ecclestone by Tom Bower
    Mar 2, 2011
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    Private, mysterious and some say sinister, 79 year-old Bernie Ecclestone criss-crosses the globe in his private jet mixing with celebrities, statesmen and sporting heroes. Ecclestone's success has not just been to create a multi-billion pound global business but to resist repeated attempts to snatch the glittering prize from his control. Ecclestone has never before revealed how he graduated from selling second-hand cars in London's notorious Warren Street to become the major player he is today. He has finally decided to reveal his secrets: the deals, the marriages, the disasters and the successes on race tracks, in Downing Street, in casinos, on yachts and in the air. Surprisingly, he is telling his life's story to Tom Bower, described by Ecclestone as 'The Undertaker' - the man who buries reputations - and has given him access to all his friends and enemies. All have been told by Ecclestone, 'Tell him the truth, good or bad'. The result is a unique story of a simple, driven man who unlike shady tycoons offers an intriguing insight into the sport, business and, above all, the human spirit. 'I'll accept your facilities', Bower told Ecclestone, 'but if I find evidence of wrongdoing or hear any criticism, it will all be published'. After a brief moment, Ecclestone replied, 'Tom, I'm no angel'.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hq_O5KRbQkE



    Bernie Ecclestone: Stripped of my power
    Nov 8, 2017
    Graham Bensinger

    Bernie Ecclestone offers his takes on why Liberty Media didn’t think he was running Formula 1 correctly, his thoughts on Chase Carey as the new CEO and how he’s been silenced in his honorary role as chairman emeritus. Plus, Red Bull Racing’s Christian Horner says he expects Bernie to be frustrated with his current lack of influence in the sport he’s dedicated himself to growing.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1D6FbOhHqM
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    Well, Well, Well!
    Who would have thought Redbull would start the season from exactly where they had finished it last season. Strong and super fast in the hands of both Verstappen and Perez. Perez handsomely justified his selection to fill that seat with a very strong showing from the get-go. He hit the floor running, demonstrating his immense experience.

    Redbull has been the car with a clear performance advantage over the rest of the pack, throughout winter testing. It is also reasonably clear that winter testing is unreasonably short. But what we are also noticing, is that the gap between Redbull and the typical midfield has closed up. Ferrari seems to have recovered lost speed and could well be on par with the Redbull. Mclaren with a Mercedes engine and a funky rear diffuser has also closed right up to the Redbull as well. Redbull's sister team; Alpha Tauri is also showing great pace and closer to the senior team than ever. This bodes well for the very talented Pierre Gasly.

    This scenario presents us with a mix of some very awesome drivers with direct links to Redbull racing. Ricciardo in the Mclaren, Sainz in the Ferrari, Gasly in the Alpha Tauri, Verstappen and now Perez in the Redbull. This mix is going to make this season very exciting to watch for a start.

    Redbull is now sitting pretty in what seems like a very strong position to fight for both F1 championship titles. They have the enviable situation of starting the season better prepared than the Mercedes. And appear faster at this point. They shall be starting the season, very much as Vettel and Ferrari did in 2018. With a good chance of building a good haul of points at the beginning of the season. We all know Hamilton and Mercedes are going to ramp up their performance within three races at most.

    So the question is, can Redbull and one of its drivers take the potential points advantage all the way to Abu Dhabi?
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