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    You are right about there´s more, Mirek. Economy, drivers, available parts, money again.

    However knowing their engine is a bit less powerful maybe made them play a game with gear ratios in ARF. Because enginepower matters, believe the guys telling that on forum.

    However most of all it could´ve been driversmaterial in the end. Anyway, Malcolm Wilson have to step up, that´s for sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rallyper View Post
    However knowing their engine is a bit less powerful maybe made them play a game in ARF. Because enginepower matters, believe the guys telling that on forum.
    Why you put that in my mouth? I have never said so. I have stated that peak power has nothing to do with top speed of WRC cars and that loosing time in high speed sections likely wasn't due to the engine alone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mirek View Post
    Why you put that in my mouth? I have never said so. I have stated that peak power has nothing to do with top speed of WRC cars and that loosing time in high speed sections likely wasn't due to the engine alone.
    Peak power is also power. Used on 6th gear on full speed it matters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rallyper View Post
    Peak power is also power. Used on 6th gear on full speed it matters.
    But in rallying it's quite rarely used for longer times.

    Maybe I should also measure the long straight from Sarriojärvi, Aittajärvi or Kaihuavaara where they go a kilometre straight and see who is fastest on a drag race.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AnttiL View Post
    But in rallying it's quite rarely used for longer times.

    Maybe I should also measure the long straight from Sarriojärvi, Aittajärvi or Kaihuavaara where they go a kilometre straight and see who is fastest on a drag race.
    Rarely? We are discussing if Ford are lack of power on straits in Arctic Rally Finland. Why do you even answer like that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rallyper View Post
    Rarely? We are discussing if Ford are lack of power on straits in Arctic Rally Finland. Why do you even answer like that?
    Yes, hitting top speed is quite rare in today's rallying. I think I can say I've investigated enough routes and watched onboards to feel qualified to say that.

    The Fiestas could also lose time in fast corners, maybe 5th gear corners, or accelerating from 5th to 6th gear. We don't have enough data to say it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rallyper View Post
    Rarely? We are discussing if Ford are lack of power on straits in Arctic Rally Finland. Why do you even answer like that?
    Better don't start that discussion

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    Quote Originally Posted by AnttiL View Post
    Maybe I should also measure the long straight from Sarriojärvi, Aittajärvi or Kaihuavaara where they go a kilometre straight and see who is fastest on a drag race.
    At least the 760 metres final full acceleration of Kaihuavaara 1 doesn't make any difference between Evans, Neuville or Suninen. They all take exactly the same amount of time, 18.2 seconds.

    Same thing on the ~1 km straight at the middle of Aittajärvi after the double junction. Rovanperä and Suninen are exactly equal.

    My verdict is that when the cars accelerate on a straight road, they are quite equal. Cornering is where they have differences.
    Last edited by AnttiL; 3rd March 2021 at 16:00.

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    Maybe it is about the drivers not using the cars as efficiently and losing time compared to others.

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    What the hell are you guys on? Suninen said that Ford lacks aero on fast corners. Thats it. It's not rocket sience.

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