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18th January 2021, 12:43 #41
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Historic caused problems also, but I remember Tänak and Ogier having pretty strong words towards the organisers for the unplowed roads. I happened to be on this section and this was far from rallying.
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18th January 2021, 13:25 #42
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Stupidest comment... comparing unblowed 20cm of snow and gravel rallies.
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18th January 2021, 14:56 #43
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However the stage was unplowed even after Ott and Seb, wasn´t it?
"Reis vas pät pat kaar vas kut"
Tommi Mäkinen, back in the years...
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18th January 2021, 15:06 #44
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This issue lead to Ogier eventually dropping his starting position after losing so much time due to snow-ploughing.
This has since lead to all sorts of road position tactics.
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18th January 2021, 15:14 #45
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18th January 2021, 15:16 #46
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[WRC] Arctic Rally 2021
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18th January 2021, 15:48 #47
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6 km less plowed road with 5-10 cms... with these increases we will soon end up to 2 meters of snow and car tunneling trough.
On gravel rallies 50 km of cleaning 1-2 cm gravel is standard. Get some perspective.
Yes drivers complain almost all the time. Haven't heard anyone blaming organizers on gravel rallies for it though, just FIA for starting order.
Roads are almost never not plowed for rallying 1-2 hours before the stage start and in that period it can snow a lot. Gravel doesn't fall down from the sky unexpectedly....
In Monte 2018 it was also turning warm so for later cars the snow both got cleaned and melted (same in Monza SS11).
Imo it's anything but competitionally uniteresting, it's rallying, conditions change. As long as it's "reasonably" safe it is how it should be. Sometimes you gain on it, sometimes you loose. (in Sweden when it is warm earlier drivers can gain before the ice breaks up for example)
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18th January 2021, 16:37 #48
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Remember 1996 (?) Tommi protested by stopping before finish on a stage, bcs he had to plow. He was furious over Kenneth Eriksson was second on stage... Smth like that.
Think Tommi was fined for that protest, and upset reporters in Swedish Television.
There always has and also will be issues with starting first in winthery conditions... However Asunmaa and Oliver handled it well last weekend."Reis vas pät pat kaar vas kut"
Tommi Mäkinen, back in the years...
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18th January 2021, 16:58 #49
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18th January 2021, 17:12 #50
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mknight I usually like your posts, but now I can't agree...gravel sweeping is not same as an unexceptional snowfall or road plowing mistake. And you can't say no one has ever complained about having to sweep on a gravel rally! And no one has lost 3 minutes on one day due to gravel sweeping, like Breen did on that one stage. However, there's also benefits to being first on the road on a gravel rally, like not having dust or rocks pulled onto the road. And if it is raining, you might have the best position after all. Finally, sudden snowfall can also benefit first starters like in Monte 2017 power stage when the first cars drove a dry stage and the last cars a snow stage. Do I remember correctly that Monza SS11 was stopped for a while, giving Scandola some extra time for the weather to dry?
Last edited by AnttiL; 18th January 2021 at 17:18.
TBH I dont get why some places have anti-cut devices when other identical kind of places allow huge cutting and the throwing of dirt all over the road.
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