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    Quote Originally Posted by dimviii View Post
    give us a link with a Mitsu onboard at this point.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0KwXT08v8Q

    Here is OBC from Juha Salo's R4 Mitsubishi in the Arctic Lapland Rally 2013. The Sarriojärvi was ss7 and on that year the lenght was 36,35km. The section I mentioned starts from 9:16. Juha miss the exit with wide slide on the last flat right before the steep downhill, but there is still +200km/h something in the dash at the end of downhill. Another interesting point in terms of speed is the short wide road section, which starts from 5:45. After the flat over the crest there is in the dash something like 206km/h before the braking.

    Here is Tänak's OBC from the ARF 2021 ss2, the same steep downhill starts from 8:35

    https://www.wrc.com/en/news/2021/wrc...ODRfPK0YFO32WU
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    taken from here, Aero chronicle of Arctic Rally Finland 2021 https://www.wrcwings.tech/2021/03/01...-finland-2021/
    #8 Ott Tänak - Martin Järveoja #8
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    Quote Originally Posted by EstWRC View Post
    for Kalle i would give 7 or 8, he was second and gets the same amount of points as winner? or if he has 9 then Tänak def should be 10
    I think the points are given in reference to the level where the drivers were before the rally. Tänak should have been more dominant and/or win power stage in order to get a 10/10. Meanwhile, for Kalle this was already a career-best result with small mistakes. I think this makes sense for these ratings, otherwise you could just give 10 to winner, 9 to second and so on.

    Actually, Greensmith could even consider 7/10 as an insult if he wants to progress as a driver and not view being the slowest WRC driver as a good result

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    Quote Originally Posted by AnttiL View Post
    I think the points are given in reference to the level where the drivers were before the rally. Tänak should have been more dominant and/or win power stage in order to get a 10/10. Meanwhile, for Kalle this was already a career-best result with small mistakes. I think this makes sense for these ratings, otherwise you could just give 10 to winner, 9 to second and so on.
    this is my final post about this, i already regret i commented at all

    Tänak more dominant? to be clear, im totally fine for 9 with him, i dont want 10

    Toyota had data from this rally just a month ago, Kalle had been here only a year ago and knew this rally at least kind of. Yes, career best result but made some small mistakes and only just managed to edge out Neuville who had problems with his co-driver during the whole rally.

    8 maximum in my eyes for him.


    but ok, we all have our opinions.
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    #8 Ott Tänak - Martin Järveoja #8
    - World Rally Champions 2019 -

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    Quote Originally Posted by EstWRC View Post
    this is my final post about this, i already regret i commented at all

    Tänak more dominant? to be clear, im totally fine for 9 with him, i dont want 10

    Toyota had data from this rally just a month ago, Kalle had been here only a year ago and knew this rally at least kind of. Yes, career best result but made some small mistakes and only just managed to edge out Neuville who had problems with his co-driver during the whole rally.

    8 maximum in my eyes for him.


    but ok, we all have our opinions.
    I'm fine with Tänak 10 and Rovanperä 8, but the point remains that they are based on the driver's initial level. No reason to get dramatic over it

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    Quote Originally Posted by EstWRC View Post
    this is my final post about this, i already regret i commented at all

    Tänak more dominant? to be clear, im totally fine for 9 with him, i dont want 10

    Toyota had data from this rally just a month ago, Kalle had been here only a year ago and knew this rally at least kind of. Yes, career best result but made some small mistakes and only just managed to edge out Neuville who had problems with his co-driver during the whole rally.

    8 maximum in my eyes for him.


    but ok, we all have our opinions.
    As you finished off EstWRC , that is the real point behind a Forum for information sharing and chat and if we didn't have an opinion there wouldn't be much said.

    We all need to have opinions otherwise life would be very dull.

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    https://twitter.com/AnttiL_WRC/statu...17237663584257

    SS4 Kaihuavaara had this super fast which lasts for 11.13 km. Evans's time on this section was 4:20, timed from onboards (average speed 154 km/h). Suninen lost 12 seconds to him on this section. During the whole 19 km stage he lost 13.4 seconds, meaning that during the more twisty and technical 8 km he only lost around one second to Evans.

    This is some indication about the performance of the Fiesta, how it suffers on fast sections but is still competitive on technical sections.

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    Dirtfish says the Fiesta engine was its weakness on these fast stages:

    Greensmith and Suninen were at a disadvantage to their Hyundai and Toyota World Rally Car rivals last weekend however, with M-Sport’s Ford Fiesta not as quick as Hyundai’s i20 or Toyota’s Yaris on the fast stages in part as a consequence of a lack of development budget.

    “It’s not quite been our weekend, but we know where we are losing and where we need to improve,” said M-Sport team principal Richard Millener.

    “We’re still competitive in the right conditions, and we saw some good times from Teemu and Gus in the more technical split sections where we know we can be quick.”

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    DirtFish has a fantastic initiative - what you can do here. If rally is over - make new topic: "<Rally name> Driver Ratings" - and you can discuss (read: fight) here till next rally without getting bored

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    Suninen confirmed on twitch that Ford has the longest gear ratio of the current WRC cars.

    He also says the chassis needs to work on fast speeds
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