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    Quote Originally Posted by Danny0405 View Post
    Good Rallye for Rossel but 5 points short of clinching the title. His improvement margin on a last rally is quite low (8 points only) and he is not sure to go to Spain (budget).
    However, Kajto would need almost two perfect performances to win the title (at least, 56 or 57 out of 60 in his last two rallies) so I would bet on Rossel still, especially because the last rallies include a lot of high-level local competitors.
    The situation in WRC3 has changed dramatically. Yohan Rossel was disqualified from the Acropolis Rally (car not in conformity with homologation):
    https://twitter.com/anttil_wrc/statu...086205952?s=21

    So the new winner is Kajto, with Ingram second and Lindholm third.
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    As far as the WRC3 standings are concerned, it probably looks like this (not sure if it is correct):
    1. Rossel - 127
    2. Kajto - 112.

    They are both missing Rally Finland, so the title will be decided either in Spain or in Italy.
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    Harsh for Rossel, especially considering how hard he finances this year (and maybe his last chance because he said that without an official support, from Citroen in WRC- 2 for example, he will not follow next year, at least at international level). Apparently, second time Sainteloc makes such a mistake this year which explains the disqualification this time.

    And in addition to that, Coria makes Finland with Fourmaux (not a definitive pick however).
    Clearly, the situation is not favourable for him now but still a hope if he can go to Monza (or Spain) because Iím pretty confident Kajto will not make two wins in a row, considering the competition (and with the 5 out of 7 rules, his margin of improvement is not that much, even if greater than Rossel for sure)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danny0405 View Post
    Harsh for Rossel, especially considering how hard he finances this year (and maybe his last chance because he said that without an official support, from Citroen in WRC- 2 for example, he will not follow next year, at least at international level). Apparently, second time Sainteloc makes such a mistake this year which explains the disqualification this time.
    the mistake is not with sainteloc. They don't make the parts, they just buy the from CitroŽn.

    Which makes it even more weird as a decision from the fia. You buy a part, have it checked and found to be correct, only to have someone find the same part incorrect the next rally. Either rossel or his team has tampered with the part, but i wouldn't see why they would do that, or the fia's measurings system is crooked.

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    The did not check it.

    After Rally Italia Sardegna 2021 the competitor had carefully checked all their subframes and
    three of them were found not to comply and sent back to the supplier. Subframe No. 99 was
    not checked
    , as the competitor relied on the weight measured at the final scrutineering in
    Rally Italia Sardegna 2021.
    The non-complying subframe used in EKO Acropolis Rally 2021 was already in the
    possession of the competitor at the time of Rally Italia Sardegna 2021.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom K View Post
    The did not check it.

    After Rally Italia Sardegna 2021 the competitor had carefully checked all their subframes and
    three of them were found not to comply and sent back to the supplier. Subframe No. 99 was
    not checked
    , as the competitor relied on the weight measured at the final scrutineering in
    Rally Italia Sardegna 2021.
    The non-complying subframe used in EKO Acropolis Rally 2021 was already in the
    possession of the competitor at the time of Rally Italia Sardegna 2021.
    It was checked. On scurtineering by FIA at Sardegna.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom K View Post
    The did not check it.

    After Rally Italia Sardegna 2021 the competitor had carefully checked all their subframes and
    three of them were found not to comply and sent back to the supplier. Subframe No. 99 was
    not checked
    , as the competitor relied on the weight measured at the final scrutineering in
    Rally Italia Sardegna 2021.
    The non-complying subframe used in EKO Acropolis Rally 2021 was already in the
    possession of the competitor at the time of Rally Italia Sardegna 2021.
    As pluto said. In sardegna the fia checked it and found it to be legal. Only to have it checked by the fia again the next rally and now found to be overweight.

    So either they have changed something on the subframe between those rallies that has made it heavier, or the scales of the fia don't work as they should.

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    According to the article at https://pl.motorsport.com/wrc/news/t...nosci/6671940/ Rossel/Sainteloc appealed against the disqualification. The final decision regarding the Acropolis Rally results is to be made in November.
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    Quote Originally Posted by denkimi View Post
    As pluto said. In sardegna the fia checked it and found it to be legal. Only to have it checked by the fia again the next rally and now found to be overweight.

    So either they have changed something on the subframe between those rallies that has made it heavier, or the scales of the fia don't work as they should.
    They were told to check all their spares they have. They weighed and found that three more are not correct. Being them I would check all I have, especially that no 99 was closer to limit than to proper weight.

    This does not explain why the results from Sardinia and Greece were different. Document says that in Greece all parties agreed that weighing process was correct. ~ 250 grams its not what you have to weigh with NASA equipment

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom K View Post
    They were told to check all their spares they have. They weighed and found that three more are not correct. Being them I would check all I have, especially that no 99 was closer to limit than to proper weight.

    This does not explain why the results from Sardinia and Greece were different. Document says that in Greece all parties agreed that weighing process was correct. ~ 250 grams its not what you have to weigh with NASA equipment
    Why would they need to check something again after it has just been checked by the officials of the fia and found to be legal?
    If it was illegal now, it should have been just as illegal in sardinia.

    But the main issue is that, besides if sainteloc made the part heavier between 2 rallies for some reason, this means that the measurements of the fia cannot be trusted.

    If they are wrong now, how often were they wrong in the past?

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