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    Mikkelsen won WRC2 taking maximum points against the best field of the year so far on a type of rally that's not his best. Controlling it since Friday evening. Looked like cat and mouse with Østberg. When Mikkelsen took it easy and lost some time, he would win next stage.

    Østberg was fast, but with regards to punctures he had one here with Michelin last year as well and one when fighting for lead in Portugal this year.

    Gryazin sadly didn't surprise with crash, but hasn't really had a single stage with top pace for some reason.

    Hard to judge Lukyanuk, great drive for sure, but comparison with WrC2 is difficult.
    Some 4 weeks ago on a similar rally in Poland Lukyanuk was 15th on the road, Gryazin 38 (23 cars later) and with cleaning led Luykanuk by 36s after first section.
    Two weeks ago in Liepaja Luykanuk was number 10 on the road and got beaten in first leg by Breen with 13s at start position 21. (as well as Llarena from 25th). During that rally Lukyanuk was very vocal how unfair advantage that was.
    Now come Estonia Luykanuk was starting 17 cars later than WRC2 top and led with 20s after first leg.

    At that point obviously Mikkelsen just looked on Østbergs times and not on Lukyanuk who would still start 7 cars later the next day and didn't take any points off him.

    I wrote this already in January when Mikkelsen said he wants to win every rally in Rally2 category. That I doubt he will push if he leads WRC2 easily and WRC3 is far ahead. With one 0 score in WRC2 already that's exactly what he did.

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    Classic Lukyanuk - never knows how to cruise to a win !


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    Did not see the roll of Luky, but i guess it was a soft one in the sand.
    But he still managed to keep his RC2 win by 13,8 to Mikkelsen, and 8th total. Not bad, even with better starting position.

    I would like to see that cars got starting positions based on result so far in the rally, and not just in your class, and classes are priority 1. At least inside a RC group.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sulland View Post
    Did not see the roll of Luky, but i guess it was a soft one in the sand.
    But he still managed to keep his RC2 win by 13,8 to Mikkelsen, and 8th total. Not bad, even with better starting position.

    I would like to see that cars got starting positions based on result so far in the rally, and not just in your class, and classes are priority 1. At least inside a RC group.
    I wouldn't call it soft. 😛

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    Quote Originally Posted by mknight View Post
    Mikkelsen won WRC2 taking maximum points against the best field of the year so far on a type of rally that's not his best. Controlling it since Friday evening. Looked like cat and mouse with Østberg. When Mikkelsen took it easy and lost some time, he would win next stage.

    Østberg was fast, but with regards to punctures he had one here with Michelin last year as well and one when fighting for lead in Portugal this year.

    Gryazin sadly didn't surprise with crash, but hasn't really had a single stage with top pace for some reason.

    Hard to judge Lukyanuk, great drive for sure, but comparison with WrC2 is difficult.
    Some 4 weeks ago on a similar rally in Poland Lukyanuk was 15th on the road, Gryazin 38 (23 cars later) and with cleaning led Luykanuk by 36s after first section.
    Two weeks ago in Liepaja Luykanuk was number 10 on the road and got beaten in first leg by Breen with 13s at start position 21. (as well as Llarena from 25th). During that rally Lukyanuk was very vocal how unfair advantage that was.
    Now come Estonia Luykanuk was starting 17 cars later than WRC2 top and led with 20s after first leg.

    At that point obviously Mikkelsen just looked on Østbergs times and not on Lukyanuk who would still start 7 cars later the next day and didn't take any points off him.

    I wrote this already in January when Mikkelsen said he wants to win every rally in Rally2 category. That I doubt he will push if he leads WRC2 easily and WRC3 is far ahead. With one 0 score in WRC2 already that's exactly what he did.
    first we had the slow outdated fabia at fast rallies.
    Now we have the starting position.
    The truth is that the aged Russian was faster this weekend,with a new car,from a new team,and new co driver.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dimviii View Post
    first we had the slow outdated fabia at fast rallies.
    Now we have the starting position.
    The truth is that the aged Russian was faster this weekend,with a new car,from a new team,and new co driver.
    Lukyanuk himself says a startposition like this is a big advantage and accused Breen of cheating in Liepaja.

    At that same rally Lukyanuk was slower than Mikkelsen when they both have the same starting position whole weekend. (Lukyanuk with different car, Mikkelsen with different tires).

    Around here nobody had Mikkelsen as main favourite for WRC2, not in this thread, not in Estonia thread and not in pickems. He beat them all in WRC2, got full points and won all powerstages he started this year.

    Yet for you he is as always the biggest disappointment of the whole rally. Cause he didn't try to charge the non-scoring guy that he just beat two weeks before.... at this point you are just down to "hate no matter what" levels.

    Sadly the aged Russian has also just shown on PS why he never made it to WRC. There was no chance he would would win the rutted Powerstage from that startposition, yet he tried and only luck made him not retire few kms from finish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mknight View Post
    Lukyanuk himself says a startposition like this is a big advantage and accused Breen of cheating in Liepaja.

    At that same rally Lukyanuk was slower than Mikkelsen when they both have the same starting position whole weekend. (Lukyanuk with different car, Mikkelsen with different tires).

    Around here nobody had Mikkelsen as main favourite for WRC2, not in this thread, not in Estonia thread and not in pickems. He beat them all in WRC2, got full points and won all powerstages he started this year.

    Yet for you he is as always the biggest disappointment of the whole rally. Cause he didn't try to charge the non-scoring guy that he just beat two weeks before.... at this point you are just down to "hate no matter what" levels.

    Sadly the aged Russian has also just shown on PS why he never made it to WRC. There was no chance he would would win the rutted Powerstage from that startposition, yet he tried and only luck made him not retire few kms from finish.
    about the slow fabia at fast rallies any news?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dimviii View Post
    about the slow fabia at fast rallies any news?
    With a proper driver (Mikkelsen) and good setup it can obviously beat other cars. Either C3 (driven by Lukyanuk and Østberg), or Polo (driven by Gryazin). Lukyanuk had basically only Fabias in his category with same starting position in Estonia.

    For comparison you can check how many fast international gravel rallies it won in 2020.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mknight View Post
    With a proper driver (Mikkelsen) and good setup it can obviously beat other cars. Either C3 (driven by Lukyanuk and Østberg), or Polo (driven by Gryazin). Lukyanuk had basically only Fabias in his category with same starting position in Estonia.

    For comparison you can check how many fast international gravel rallies it won in 2020.
    so we are not sure yet if fabia is fast at fast ralllies.

    Man its a pleasure to read your posts.

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