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    Quote Originally Posted by AnttiL View Post
    It's easy to say afterwards how it should have been done. The WRC calendar is not a simple jigsaw puzzle.
    Why does it matter if we say it before or afterwards? We are just users on a forum. It's not like FIA/WRC would pitch ideas from us even if we said it before... but I do remember people wondering why it took so long for WRC to restart, around the Roma Capitale days. And wondering why they didn't try to fill the big empty gap between Sardegna and Ypres. Same thing when Ypres was cancelled, huge gap to Monza but they're just idling and waiting to see if also Monza will get cancelled. There were plenty of people with perplexity over the calendar and the dates, but they were not the ones making decisions...

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    Quote Originally Posted by AnttiL View Post
    By keeping Ypres in its original date would have meant canceling of Turkey and having Sardegna in its late October slot, which could have also meant cancellation...

    It's easy to say afterwards how it should have been done. The WRC calendar is not a simple jigsaw puzzle.
    Have you forgotten that Turkey actually moved one week earlier in order to allow Ypres to run on their initially desired date? And how can you be so sure that Sardegna wasn’t possible on a late October slot, while Italy’s cycling Giro finished at the same time?
    https://dirtfish.com/rally/ypres-org...-wrc-planning/

    Btw, as a few others here, I’ve pointed Ypres date issues some time ago, long before any cancellation info:https://www.motorsportforums.com/sho...=1#post1251966
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rally Power View Post
    Have you forgotten that Turkey actually moved one week earlier in order to allow Ypres to run on their initially desired date? And how can you be so sure that Sardegna wasn’t possible on a late October slot, while Italy’s cycling Giro finished at the same time?
    https://dirtfish.com/rally/ypres-org...-wrc-planning/

    Btw, as a few others here, I’ve pointed Ypres date issues some time ago, long before any cancellation info:https://www.motorsportforums.com/sho...=1#post1251966
    Right, I remembered the Turkey-Ypres clash incorrectly. Possiblty it was then down to the teams complaining that it's too much to do Estonia-Turkey-Ypres with two week gaps, including a rebuild from a rough rally to tarmac spec.

    Ypres was moved into a later spot when Rally Japan was cancelled in August. The calendar in this version still could have allowed completion of 7 events until the end of October. Could you have guessed by then that Ypres is more probable to be run in October than Germany?

    https://www.autosport.com/wrc/news/1...lly-japan-axed

    Also, they moved Sardegna earlier when Germany was cancelled so they weren't just sitting on their asses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by focus206 View Post
    Why does it matter if we say it before or afterwards? We are just users on a forum. It's not like FIA/WRC would pitch ideas from us even if we said it before... but I do remember people wondering why it took so long for WRC to restart, around the Roma Capitale days. And wondering why they didn't try to fill the big empty gap between Sardegna and Ypres. Same thing when Ypres was cancelled, huge gap to Monza but they're just idling and waiting to see if also Monza will get cancelled. There were plenty of people with perplexity over the calendar and the dates, but they were not the ones making decisions...
    What I mean is that you're complaining that FIA does nothing when they're doing the best job that's possible. The reason that WRC didn't react to the better COVID-situation in the summer was that rallies aren't organized quickly, you cannot just call up someone and ask to put up a WRC event next weekend.

    You can however point fingers at Hyundai who didn't want to go to Liepaja, otherwise we would have now one more event in the season...having Liepaja take that early August slot probably then blocked off other plans for that time. You can't ask three rallies to host a WRC event for the same weekend hoping that one of them can run it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by focus206 View Post
    Why does it matter if we say it before or afterwards? We are just users on a forum. It's not like FIA/WRC would pitch ideas from us even if we said it before... but I do remember people wondering why it took so long for WRC to restart, around the Roma Capitale days. And wondering why they didn't try to fill the big empty gap between Sardegna and Ypres. Same thing when Ypres was cancelled, huge gap to Monza but they're just idling and waiting to see if also Monza will get cancelled. There were plenty of people with perplexity over the calendar and the dates, but they were not the ones making decisions...
    It has been said before; we know it's not easy to organise an event quickly - it's quite different to organising an event on a circuit. However, they've constantly been shown up as being reactive rather than proactive.
    And the most damning situation for them is how the ERC/Eurosport Events have handled it - and are handling next year. The WRC will have far more resources to organise events, yet they've fumbled around.

    Far too many people are giving them a 'free pass' because of the Covid crisis. Their job - is to run and promote the WRC; they got it wrong during the lockdown, and they haven't got the return much better. Three events since March - three opportunities to sell the sport......all the while rival series have been running events regularly in the same period.

    Questions should be asked - but probably won't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AnttiL View Post
    Veiby has won WRC2 once, it was in Poland 2017. He often makes outrageously fast stage wins but is unable to retain this pace throughout a rally and/or crashes.

    One explanation could be that Veiby and Gryazin (who both brought a big budget to their WRC2 programs) had a deal that included a prize drive for the one with more WRC2 points at the end of the season.
    And Sweden 2019 by a couple of minutes to everyone else
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    Quote Originally Posted by AnttiL View Post
    Ypres was moved into a later spot when Rally Japan was cancelled in August. The calendar in this version still could have allowed completion of 7 events until the end of October. Could you have guessed by then that Ypres is more probable to be run in October than Germany?
    When Ypres decided to take Japan slot, Germany was already in danger: https://dirtfish.com/rally/rally-jap...take-wrc-date/
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    There were some ERC cancellations also 2020
    ERC just had better luck with Covid19 than WRC
    Right events in right places/times.

    2021 will also be easier for ERC because their season is not starting January-February, it has nothing do with good promoter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by denkimi View Post
    I saw veiby at ypres last year. His best stage result was 8th, behind local gentleman drivers.

    He's not even second class behind the best drivers. He's third class at best, somewhere between the faster gentleman drivers.

    I don't see why anyone would want to put him in a wrc car.
    That's why I say Loubet is faster!

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    You can't compare 8 event championship to 14 event championship. It's dealing with totally different things in terms of timing, logistic, diplomacy, bureaucracy, politics and so on.

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