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    Quote Originally Posted by truefan72 View Post
    As was the mick Schumacher moment with the helmet.
    Yes, that was a great moment and Lewis seemed truly touched by it!
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    Hamilton may have matched Schmacher in race wins, Michael Schumacher remains the greatest F1 driver of the modern era until his seven titles is matched or surpassed.

    This ocassion would of course raise the debate of who is the greatest driver of all time. I have even seen youtube podcast that claims Hamilton is not the greatest driver of all time. I have even seen statements that claim Schumacher is not the greatest of all time.

    How l see it is that, there are greatest drivers for each of the various eras of F1, but none that could be called the greatest of all time. As that would be very difficult to quantify. But what can be quantified without a doubt, is who is the most successfull driver of all time. There are lots of factors that go into this quantification. From the total number of wins, number of poles, number of titles won, number of teams that the candidate has won championships for, to how much earnings the candidate has been able to amass throughout their career. And the list goes on....

    Even that, is not a trivial quantification. There are a number of factors that are not equivalent for each generation of drivers, for instance, the number of races in a season. The fact that F1 is also a technology competition, means that, one team always dominates one or more seasons with each major changes to the regulations.

    The most successfull drivers always stand out like a sore thumb. They always end up in the best car; as it would be crazy for any team with the best car to have the second best driver in their car. They want the very best driver in their car to ensure their domination of the era.

    They are also always the man to beat every race weekend. Hence, are essentially the benchmark for their era of racing. Accomplishing such a status is not trivial. Just ask Verstapenn who must endure being in the shadow of Hamilton. Or Bottas who has the same machinery but finds he must dig deeper every race weekend but still by some reason falls short of beating Hamilton, even when it all seems a perfect weekend of preparation.

    It takes incredible mental and physical work to excell at such a level consistently throughout a very long season. Something that would be quite alien to the old school drivers, whom only endured up to eight races per season in their time. The quality of drivers nowadays is so high, and the difference is small but large enough to make a world of difference in the very fast hybrid cars that is raced today.

    To be the best is not only in the superiority of the car, but in the skill, the discipline, the ability to focus intently on the job even when it is all going wrong, the ability to process multiple information simultaneously under pressure and the ability to learn quickly.

    It is easy to take these things for granted while seating in our armchairs watching the action. But what unfolds before our eyes, is a display of very special talents plying their trade.
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    I feel somewhat conflicted at Hamilton matching Schumachers record. On the one hand, it hit home was upsetting the great man couldn’t be there himself to present Hamilton with his Helmet in that great gesture from the Schumacher family. On the other hand, I miss Michael at the races and it just hit home again how unfair life can be with his accident.

    I don’t think Hamilton is on Schumacher’s level personally, some of the things Schumacher did with the Ferrari especially in the 96-00 era were just amazing. But there’s no doubt that they are both great drivers.

    Congratulations to Lewis but Schumacher is still the GOAT imo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitrodaze View Post
    Very unlucky for Bottas. A Bottas win seemed on the cards before the engine packed up. He is still second in the driver's championship, but Verstapenn is closing in. How about the incredible Hulk then. From 22nd at the start to 8th. What a great drive?

    The fight for 3rd in the constructors is getting closer and much tougher as Racing Point sneaks into third ahead of Mclaren and Renault makes strides to close up to the main contenders for 3rd. The fight of the season seem to rest here. Which team is going to end up in third at the end of the season?

    It is great to see Ricciado on the podium again. He was so happy. Great for Renault too as they show they have a fast engine.
    Well the win was gone when he couldn’t manage his tires as well as Hamilton, locked up, flat spotted and lost the lead. Was going to lose p2 and was forced to pit early which put him in traffic etc. At best he was going to finish p2...maybe

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitrodaze View Post
    CONGRATULATIONS TO LEWIS HAMILTON SIX TIMES F1 DRIVERS WORLD CHAMPION
    ON MATCHING THE RED BARON MICHAEL SCHUMACHER IN HAVING WON 91 RACES.

    What an achivement? Schumacher set such a tall bar that seemed almost impossible to reach. And l am so lucky to see it matched in my lifetime. More so, l am so fortunate to have seen two extraordinary multiple champions who were by any measure the best we have seen before them. To see them from their formative years leading up to F1 where from the start of their F1 careers, ignited the sport with electrifying performances. All of this happening in our life time.

    What a blessing and a gift to us all.
    Well said

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    Quote Originally Posted by truefan72 View Post
    This Safety car is a joke. A complete farce. All that was needed was a virtual SC at best. Once again this seems to be designed to slow Hamilton down and introduce an artificial fight.
    Complete bullocks. The car was moved out with less time and effort than the Russell incident. Disgusting
    Did they retire his car because of bad he was driving?
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    Quote Originally Posted by N. Jones View Post
    Did they retire his car because of bad he was driving?
    No, his engine gave in and a small but of it went on fire. Agree re the safety car, there was no other logical reason to have one. Norris car was completely out of the way, a VSC would have been a completely acceptable call. The only logical reason to bring out the safety car was to bunch the pack up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by truefan72 View Post
    Well the win was gone when he couldn’t manage his tires as well as Hamilton, locked up, flat spotted and lost the lead. Was going to lose p2 and was forced to pit early which put him in traffic etc. At best he was going to finish p2...maybe
    I thought he might have recovered from that setback given the chance which the engine problem did not incidentally. Bottas had the pace to take the fight squarely to Hamilton. He had very clear faster pace than Hamilton at this race to suggest that he might have found a way back pass Hamilton to win the race.

    That said, his tyre management also suggest that he most likely may have finished P2 at best.
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    As a Brit, l am immensely proud of what Hamilton has acheived this weekend. It has set such a high standard for future British drivers, as he has taken all previoius british records to completely new heights.

    It is a shame that the British media do not celebrate him as they should. it is all very lukewarm in the face of a long list of historic acheivements. We acknowledge greatness when we see it, because it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitrodaze View Post
    I thought he might have recovered from that setback given the chance which the engine problem did not incidentally. Bottas had the pace to take the fight squarely to Hamilton. He had very clear faster pace than Hamilton at this race to suggest that he might have found a way back pass Hamilton to win the race.

    That said, his tyre management also suggest that he most likely may have finished P2 at best.
    No he didn’t. Hamilton was playing with him throughout the first stint. He let the gap build but when he saw Bottas tires begin to grain he began to push and pressured Bottas into a mistake. There was nothing about Bottas pace today that lead me to believe he was faster.

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