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28th September 2020, 19:05 #61
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But if the stewards had indeed waited until after the race, and then handed out a time penalty, then Mercedes would - and rightly so - be the first to complain that they didn't have a chance to react during the race by building a larger gap.
And I think we have seen in-race penalties for pre-race infractions before, like mechanics failing to clear the grid in time or drivers leaving a closed pit lane.Oct. 31, 1999 - one of the blackest days in motorsports.
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28th September 2020, 19:47 #62
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Actually, on the contrary. Mercedes and Hamilton would have been better placed to present evidence in defence of the decision to do a practise start where they did. If any penalty was due, they would have been given the appropriate level of punishment which nobody would have disputed. Whatever that was, is what it would have been.
The sort of infractions that you discribed are all in the regulations and the regulation stipulate exactly how they should be handled.Last edited by Nitrodaze; 28th September 2020 at 23:52.
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28th September 2020, 20:22 #63
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So if Hamilton had crossed the finish line eight seconds ahead of Bottas and 9,5 ahead of Verstappen and then been given a ten-second penalty after the race (and after the podium ceremony) , you really think "nobody would have disputed" it? I can just imagine Lewis saying "Oh, it is what it is, never mind, here's the winner's trophy Valtteri, cheerio mate!"
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28th September 2020, 22:35 #64
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So , why did he do that , anyway ?
He , presumably , was there for the stewards meeting before the race and received the specific instruction as to where he could perform the practice start .
So , again , I ask why .
I saw a quote from the team saying they thought the stewards would take a dim view as soon as they saw it .
So , it seems they didn't understand either .
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28th September 2020, 23:31 #65
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What are you talking about now? That all the drivers were told during the stewards meeting where to practise start? And the racing director notes that suggest it was ok was somehow incorrect. Or that you have been showing serious dislike for Hamilton for a while now.
I can only take your point of view seriously if it is an objective opinion supported with good evidence. Otherwise you are just peddling prejudice.Last edited by Nitrodaze; 28th September 2020 at 23:51.
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28th September 2020, 23:35 #66
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I am saying they would have given Hamilton a fair and proper punishment with the benefit of having all the information to hand. If they had done so before the race, the outcome may well have turned out to be what you have described in the end. It is what it is!
What everyone is protesting is the unprecedented heavy handedness of the punishment for a harmless and safe situation. If you have any sense of justice at all, l am sure you would see that. He should be punished fairly is all l am saying. What we saw was far from fair or just.Last edited by Nitrodaze; 29th September 2020 at 06:34.
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29th September 2020, 13:41 #67
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29th September 2020, 13:50 #68
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I actually don’t think he did break the rules. Where he did his practice starts were within the letter of the law. This is the hairy fairy grey area I’ve always hated about F1 where stewards decide ad hoc to impose penalties and it always boils my piss. If the stewards or FIA impose a rule and a competitor sticks to that rule but not in exactly the way that was intended then that’s on the Stewards and FIA to clarify moving forward, it’s not right for the competitor to be punished because the Stewards or FIA didn’t think it through enough. It’s part of sport that a competitor stretches the rules, it’s the governing body’s place to ensure the rules are robust enough that only their interpretation can be applied without breaking the rules.
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29th September 2020, 14:20 #69
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What are you on about ?
What is prejudiced about asking why he went much farther out than anyone else to do his practice start ?
Is there some advantage to be gained by doing it differently ?
I'm just trying to understand why he actually did it , not throwing rocks at him .
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29th September 2020, 14:22 #70
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Dazey, you shouldn't be so quick to pull out the Haters card. Looks to me like Baggy is asking an honest question. As for your question: "That all the drivers were told during the stewards meeting where to practise start?"
Looks like the answer is yes. A quote from an article on another site has the following:
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