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14th September 2020, 17:35 #111
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Bagwan, i still don't think you get it.
I am not concerned if it is "allowed or not" and am fine with whatever punishment they want to hand out as it is worth it IMO over some regulation rule breach.
And I believe that is a calculation Hamilton quite willing fully made. Despite it being not even something for anyone to get triggered by.
Also as to the article here is a snippet of #9
"Taylor's killing by Kentucky police officers in March has become one of the most high-profile cases of police brutality amid the anti-racism protests around the world in recent months.
Hamilton wore a shirt bearing her name on the grid, and put it back on for the podium ceremony, only removing it for the champagne celebration. Taylor's face was on the rear of the t-shirt, with Hamilton turning around at the end of the national anthem for it to be picked up in full. Hamilton also ended his interview after his win by saying: "Justice for Breonna Taylor."
The gammons spouting "keep politics out of sport!" were infuriated by such a show from Hamilton, making their opposition clear on social media. But for those of us in touch with reality and the issues facing the world right now, it was another reminder from Hamilton of how he wants to use his platform and how powerful it can be."
If you find that disrespectful, then the question is to who? and why does it bother you?
Finally your last statement is actually the most troubling
dude, if we went by that way of thinking, nothing would have ever changed in the entirety of history.
Many things were not allowed until they were changed due to protest and the hard work of civil disobedience.
Discrimination in all its ugly forms all over the world has been a bedrock of civilization.
There was a time when Black people were not allowed to be free and held in bondage, so that was ok?
Or not allowed to play in Major League Baseball
Or women not allowed to vote
or girls not allowed to choose to be married off as child
heck, the Irish in this country weren't allowed to apply for certain jobs in the early 20th century
Jews were not allowed any rights in 1940's Germany
and so on and so on...
What are you saying? that conformity even in the face of injustice is ok because "those are the rules?"
progress should not wait for society, instead society is always forced to catch up to progress.
That last statement really is a bit problematic
oh well
Ok. lol my final word on the matter
lets get back to a discussion on the safety car issues, which i think deserve way more of a discussion and opinions than a peaceful protest at the end of the race
can we agree on that?
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14th September 2020, 18:13 #112
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At the extreme risk of having to endure another lecture , I will try to make my point .
If he broke the rules , they need to look at sanction .
If the sanction was worth it , then so be it .
The podium in F1 , for me , has always appeared a sacred protected place , which lauds only those who get to stand upon it .
Had they not gone to great lengths to appease his wishes , and not created a specific forum within the program , I might certainly have been more sympathetic in this case .
Even if he said he forgot to take it off for the podium ceremony I would be happier about it .
It's not about the message .
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14th September 2020, 18:27 #113
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Sorry Baggie, if i thought you were a racist, l would call you one plainly. So that is not my intention. I simply find that you were noticeably outside your comfort zone enough to not care about the issue. You have not said anything that come across as racist, neighter have l implied you were.
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14th September 2020, 18:48 #114
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Sorry, l disagree.
Any platform that has good exposure is fair game for vocalizing any fight against inhumane treatment of any people. It is not disrespectful at all. F1 is an international sport enjoyed by many people on the planet. It is one of the ideal platform for bringing attention to any inhumanity going on in the world. Hence should be seen as a respect rather than a disrespect.
To stiffle such expressions is to stiffle the voices of the victims of inhumane treatment. These things are disturbing to behold, very unsettling to see and disconcerting to discover the facts that lie behind the jesture.
The world responded too late going to the aid of the Jews. And millions of souls, including brilliant academics, musicians and more were wasted in gas chambers. We have an opportunity to respond more quickly, so we should, even when we are inconvinienced or taken outside our comfort zones by the peaceful call for action.Last edited by Nitrodaze; 14th September 2020 at 18:51.
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14th September 2020, 18:56 #115
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14th September 2020, 19:01 #116
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now about the restart procedures.
I admit that I incorrectly assigned blame to Bottas for the calamity yesterday, although I later deferred to Anthony Davidson's spot on analysis.
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/15...-restart-crash
In reading the autopsort article, it seems very clear that the drivers at the back were totally at fault and were even briefed in the drivers meeting about the right process. Add to that the F3 guys had no problem doing it, it seems quite clear it comes down to the drivers at the back and in general who complained about gaps, when the lights went out etc.
In reading Masi's interview on the matter this is very clear and the drivers only have themselves to blame.
No need to change any procedures etc. just stubborn drivers mentality towards the restart.
more good analysis: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEKH_LPqjJ8Last edited by truefan72; 14th September 2020 at 20:11.
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14th September 2020, 19:40 #117
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George Floyds death, whilst tragic, was not intentional. If you resist arrest the Police must use force. The knee on the neck was as per their training, they did everything by the book and in death he is just being used as a pawn. I’d suggest you watch the full footage and you’ll see what I mean.
And as for Hamilton, I suspect he’ll get away with a warning this time, but he should not be allowed break the rules a second time without severe consequences.
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14th September 2020, 21:19 #118
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I am frankly sick to death of being lectured about this .
Perhaps you disagree with the rule that says he can't do what he did .
It would make more sense for you to say so .
It would make more sense than assuming I need a lecture on racism when you just noted in a previous post that you don't consider me a racist .
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15th September 2020, 06:55 #120
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Keith Cronin just took a huge 18.2 sec out of both Devine & Edwards on SS4 ! Edwards says that's mental and Keith is a special talent.
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