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    Quote Originally Posted by AnttiL View Post
    I think it only concerns Monza. Ypres is already on the calendar, canceling it is a different thing...

    https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/fears...-this-weekend/
    ah ok... thanks.

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    question more to the locas i guess.

    everybody is talking how important the starting position is but how have the results been the last years? the guys who have started in front on friday have won?
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    Quote Originally Posted by EstWRC View Post
    question more to the locas i guess.

    everybody is talking how important the starting position is but how have the results been the last years? the guys who have started in front on friday have won?
    Usually yes, but that's just because the best drivers start at the front. Of course it made a difference, but only very little. If you are p30 it will be an issue, but not in you're starting at p5.

    But the thing is, the rally has always been at the end of june, when its warm and dry. They take deep cuts everywhere, but the ground is hard so its mostly dust and a bit of gravel here and there.

    This year, at the end of november it will be cold and probably wet, it could even snow and freeze. Most likely the ground will be soft, so a lot of mud could be pulled on the road. And if that happens, it will make a big difference.

    It will all depend on the weather. Evans should pray for rain, neuville should pray for a long dry period.

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    thanks for the answer!

    it will be very interesting then
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    Quote Originally Posted by EstWRC View Post
    they just showed clips of Ypres, really remind me germany a lot.
    Similar nature - if there is a corner, it's either flat, square or hairpin. And lots of straights. And chicanes.
    Quote Originally Posted by denkimi View Post
    euhm, no.
    some square corners, but no hairpins or chicanes. it has mostly fast flowing corners.

    its narrow, slippery, has many tricky place and deep cuts everywhere. but most importantly has deep ditches almost everywhere.
    https://youtu.be/U5G7wH_cYjQ

    3:23 hairpin
    3:41 chicane

    You're right that hairpins and chicanes aren't as common in Ypres as in Germany, I just happened to watch that onboard as my first example. But if we take out Baumholder and vinyards from Germany, the remaining country stages are quite similar to Ypres.

    The main thing is that it's relatively rare to get a medium speed corner, it's either very fast or very slow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EstWRC View Post
    question more to the locas i guess.

    everybody is talking how important the starting position is but how have the results been the last years? the guys who have started in front on friday have won?
    Well, if it rains, and if Evans uses the right tactics, and if the car is well set-up, everyone else can forget about the win. But that's a lot of "if"... I'm expecting a 3-way fight between Evans, Ogier and Neuville.

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    https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/penas...es-bias-claim/

    No anti-cut blocks will be used, Penasse says also that road will be dirty to start with

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    Breen did the AAROVA Rally yesterday, previous event of BRC. He won the event, not difficult being the only WRC car at the start. On his social media there's some onboard images showing the conditions he had. Ypres could be similar, it's safe to say it can't be much worse than this weekend was...

    Answering the comparison between Germany and Ypres, well, there isn't... Especially because we're in a different season now. Ypres has a lot of junctions indeed, and very fast sections in between, as AnttiL pointed out.

    Some things typical for Ypres which you don't see much in other events:

    - Ditches on both sides of the road on most places, if you're off, you lose a lot of time. In traditional years spectators help you out, if you are lucky, with a time loss varying between half a minute and a couple of minutes. This year there won't be (m)any spectators to help...

    - Different types of asphalt/concrete. There are a lot of different types of tarmac/concrete on the stages, the surface and grip can change every corner. Also the grip level isn't linear from dry to wet. Sometimes it's surprising, and there's not so much margin alongside the road. It's important for drivers to be able to read and understand the grip levels. For Evans, Ogier and Neuville I don't expect a huge problem here.

    - Cuts. There are lots of cuts everywhere, for a normal Ypres Rally all cuts are very visible already one month before the event (illegal recce anyone?). And guess what, as most of those who make all these cuts are amateurs, half of them is completely unnecessary. But eventually, if one starts cutting, all the others often have to follow (due to mud or gravel thrown onto the road making cutting the only possible line to follow). Some are on grass, there the road usually stays clean, if it's dry... With wet weather however they will destroy the grass and throw mud onto the road. Then there's cuts which will throw a lot of loose gravel onto the road. Sometimes it's just a wheel off the road, sometimes half of the car is in the cut, leaving the car hanging under an angle (https://scontent.fbru2-1.fna.fbcdn.n...2b&oe=5FA8E624). Also important to notice is how the transition from the cut back to the road goes. Sometimes there's an edge of the road, which makes it dangerous for having punctures. Especially on concrete roads it's something to consider. Sometimes it's better to go in only half as much as the others do, sometimes you have to go all the way. Also if it's wet, the cut gets destroyed by every car passing. It could lead to a lot of punctures in the second loop where drivers will not expect it. How you dive into that cut doesn't really matter, how you get out of it, back onto the road, does. And that's the most difficult part.

    - Mud on the road from farmers. It's harvesting season, farmers are on their fields with tractors, each time they drive back onto the road they leave a lot of dirt which then gets spread by all other traffic on that road.

    In short, the gravel crews will have a very important task to do, it will be just as important as in Monte Carlo, if not more... Fortunately there are quite a lot of straights in this event, leaving a lot of room for the codrivers to add as much info as needed.

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    A good point about the ditches.

    However, varying surfaces is common to Rally Deutschland as well, with some concrete surfaces and broken tarmac surfaces. We remember how Neuville broke the rear suspension in 2017 in Baumholder in a cut with a sharp edge.

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