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    Quote Originally Posted by AnttiL View Post
    I'm asking again, can you name the cases when a double puncture occurred at the last stage of a leg, resulting in a retirement? I don't remember any. Seems like a very corner case.
    You sound like a school teacher talking to a naughty pupil.
    Not really bothered if it’s happened in the past or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scn View Post
    Logic is, first the hypocricy. If someone really put "safety first", he should ban driving in a SS on a rim. However, I think we all agree that this would not be rallying. Second part of logic is that, formalities and "correctnesses" should be judged in such a sport, having always in mind the essence of it. All of you remember Seb driving with Daniel hanging from the window. It is a memory of the sport, and it is a part of the essence of this sport. Same applies for Bjorn engaging 5th alongside a huge cliff, with on tyre less. This is also part of the essence of rallying. If something does not pose ACTUAL danger to the public, please, let it be. Ott with his WRC driving at 60 kph is safer than most of us even if he had only two wheels.
    So my question is - is it legal to drive on 3 wheels or not? Simple answer yes or no.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cali View Post
    So my question is - is it legal to drive on 3 wheels or not? Simple answer yes or no.

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    Of course it is not legal. Also, is it legal to drive a car with a roll-cage, a car with high emmissions, a car without MOT tyres, a car with racing seat belts? Simple answer, yes or no?

    In my country all the above are illegal. So, let's do rallying without roll-cages, with low emmissions, only with MOT tyres and with MOT approved seat belts. Agree?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cali View Post
    So my question is - is it legal to drive on 3 wheels or not? Simple answer yes or no.

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    Of course it is not legal. Also, is it legal to drive a car with a roll-cage, a car with high emmissions, a car without MOT tyres, a car with racing seat belts? Simple answer, yes or no?

    In my country all the above are illegal. So, let's do rallying without roll-cages, with low emmissions, only with MOT tyres and with MOT approved seat belts. Agree?

    EDIT. Has anyone of you driven on FIA tarmac tyres with heavy rain on a liaison section? I have done it and I can assure you it is safer to drive with three DOT tyres and one rim. Should we ban FIA tyres and use only with DOT?

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    Quote Originally Posted by scn View Post
    Of course it is not legal. Also, is it legal to drive a car with a roll-cage, a car with high emmissions, a car without MOT tyres, a car with racing seat belts? Simple answer, yes or no?

    In my country all the above are illegal. So, let's do rallying without roll-cages, with low emmissions, only with MOT tyres and with MOT approved seat belts. Agree?
    Still somehow police stops only cars with 3 wheels. In Estonia rally cars have special plates and are road legal, but driving on 3 wheels is not legal.

    So, rally cars - OK (if they meet the tech standards and have passed inspection) ; driving with 3 wheels or less - not OK (for a reason, technically not in a condition).
    Or are you implying that now all of a sudden driving on 3 wheels is road legal because we have fewer starters in wrc?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cali View Post
    Still somehow police stops only cars with 3 wheels. In Estonia rally cars have special plates and are road legal, but driving on 3 wheels is not legal.

    So, rally cars - OK; driving with 3 wheels or less - not OK (for a reason).
    Or are you implying that now all of a sudden driving on 3 wheels is road legal because we have fewer starters in wrc?

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    I am only saying what I said regarding the hypocricy of the whole matter and what I said about taking into consideration the essence of the sport in every "keeping up with formalities". No implication is made because of fewer starters. Just these two things.

    P.S. Honestly, I prefer to drive on a rim than driving in heavy rain on FIA tarmac tyres. The experience is still making me feel terror. So, does this mean that we should use only DOT tyres? Of course not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EstWRC View Post
    Ogier - officially now the Master or King of Monaco, and what a way to show it with the performance like this. There is no other driver in the series at the moment who is mastering those changeable and hard conditions like he does, showed it also in Monza a month ago, he is a step above other with this.

    Evans - solid and good second place with good pace. Minded his own business basically the whole rally which was right thing to do.

    Neuville - second most impressive performance this week for me. To come Monte with a new co-driver and bring home third place and a couple of stage wins, especially on the stages which maybe were the most tricky ones, impressive.

    Rovanperä - also very good performance IMO, had some troubles but good pace and VERY good pace on some of the stages, like power stage for example.

    Sordo - so and so, but it isnt his favourite event so i think did well.

    Greensmith, Katsuta, Loubet - couple of good stage times from Loubet, also some splits from Katsuta were good i remember on some of the stages but they all are still learning and have a lot to learn.

    Tänak - started off very well, Friday was also quite good but also weird, weird in the sense that he was fastest or one of the fastest on every stage until mid stage and then dropped massively time compared to others on the second half of the stages. Silly mistake again on the recce this year and very silly mistake/decision with the one spare only.
    Quote Originally Posted by AnttiL View Post
    I'd say Katsuta is a step above the two others. Katsuta has shown glimpses of real speed in Monza and now here. Greensmith has never shown any pace and Loubet's good stage times this weekend were affected by his good starting position.

    I agree with AnttiL, Katsuta did very good tbh and above all had quite consistent performance. Loubet had good stage times only when with road advantage and else he was terrible, usually behind 3-4 Rally2 cars on the stages. Hyundai (especially the older one) is a weird car though, and again as mention he has a hybrid spec never run by the team before (at least in aero).

    Sordo was kinda mediocre, specially compared with Monza. Also said he wanted to fight for win before start...

    Rovanpera I dunno, was expecting a bit more consistency. Almost seemed he had more consistency last year here, this year it was a bit up and down.

    Tanak extremely up and down, tricky Hyundai setup?

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    Btw. O. Solbegs stuck on the side of the road is shown on Gryazins onboard at 4:15 and it's really weird place tbh.
    Doesn't look very slippery there at all and doesn't look like a hard corner, must have somehow lost it on braking with massive push.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T16 View Post
    You sound like a school teacher talking to a naughty pupil.
    Not really bothered if it’s happened in the past or not.
    So you are just making up a huge issue out of something which happens extremely rarely, but needs to be rectified. I just don't understand this. I would understand it even better if you demanded the extra tyre van for every stage end.

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