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    Quote Originally Posted by Mirek View Post
    Which was a correct step. Before it lead to number of traffic craziness and potentially negative publicity among general public (Elena sitting in the window during a drive on the motorway for example) and it was also very selective who got away with it and who didn't. If you have two drivers doing the very same thing, let's say in Mexico, and one's name is Loeb and the other's is let's say Bulacia. Who has a higher chance that the police let him pass? Now they are even, at least in something.
    So what would´ve been best solution, if not give them a wheel so they can reach SP? We discuss how to make WRC more friendly to new viewers/fans, at the same time as we DO like when the field goes like ten tin soldiers or whatever the international saying is (don´t want to give the swedish version...)

    It´s ridicoulus punish cars that managed stages but not liasons bcs of lack of wheels.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mirek View Post
    Well, everyone knows the rules and everyone knows that there is no superally before the last leg of Monte Carlo. The reason for this situation is the decision to take only one spare. It was a calculated risk which didn't pay off. Such is life.
    So you´re stuck with "rules are rules" and in another topic like to discuss the future of WRC, blind enough not to see the hippocracy...
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    Quote Originally Posted by TypeR View Post
    FIA/WRC should delete that stupid Monte exception rule or whatever it is, that retiring on Saturday means no re-start on Sunday.
    Yes, the reason is that there isn't enough room in Monaco or whatever..
    I would say it's more likely ACM's decision, not FIA or WRC Promoter. In Tänak's case it would have been possible to continue since the car was intact and in service park. But usually the car is stopped along a stage somewhere, it needs to be hauled back to Gap, fixed, and then driven to Monaco and making it to parc ferme in time is not possible. And I guess they need to know which 50 cars are coming to Monaco...

    It's crazy, some people say that super rally has ruined rallying because the routes should be completed in order to score points. Then there's one overnight break in the whole season when you cannot do super rally and instantly get other people complaining...
    Last edited by AnttiL; 23rd January 2021 at 18:20.

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    But he could take two spares and no problem then. That's the reason why others took two. He took risk and he was aware of it.
    If he will have 3 punctures you can complain, but with two with such road conditions it was nothing special.
    Everyone knows the rules and then it's about risk management. He was aware of it, that's why he stopped on the stage to change slow puncture for rim only and then did opposite after the stage. But road section was too long, etc.
    That's normal, this is well known that even with best wrc car driving on 3 wheels won't be successful

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    Following your way of thinking then same would happen if you finish stage with broken radiator but can't reach service. So there should be someone waiting with radiators at the end of the stage?
    Or similar with fuel? You finish the stage but then not enough fuel to reach service, so what then, refuel from special van?

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    You can take two wheels and be in same situation. It´s not about that.

    I say it again. Remake the rules. Take action to ACM to follow common WRC organizers rules.

    And finally, give the competitors a wheel if necessary after last stage to be able to get home to SP. With only 4-5 top drivers you don´t want to loose anyone because of these ridicoulus rules.
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    Quote Originally Posted by br21 View Post
    Imagine then some privateer who spends huge amount of his own money to participate in Monte, drives OK pace in this difficult rally and then can't start on Sunday because some factory driver made a risk to go only with one spare tire, gets 2 punctures and still can drive on Sunday only because he is factory driver...
    It doesn't have to be a puncture.. can be accident or other issue, that could be repaired in service..
    but yes, I can imagine that. Everybody need money to rally, some more, some less.
    Teams in WRC class pay hundreds of thousands for entry fees and tens of millions to build cars etc.. so yes, they may have some advantages.

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    Quote Originally Posted by br21 View Post
    Following your way of thinking then same would happen if you finish stage with broken radiator but can't reach service. So there should be someone waiting with radiators at the end of the stage?
    Or similar with fuel? You finish the stage but then not enough fuel to reach service, so what then, refuel from special van?
    Whataboutism...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rallyper View Post
    I say it again. Remake the rules. Take action to ACM to follow common WRC organizers rules.
    And again, elsewhere people complain that rallies are too similar with each other...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rallyper View Post
    So what would´ve been best solution, if not give them a wheel so they can reach SP? We discuss how to make WRC more friendly to new viewers/fans, at the same time as we DO like when the field goes like ten tin soldiers or whatever the international saying is (don´t want to give the swedish version...)

    It´s ridicoulus punish cars that managed stages but not liasons bcs of lack of wheels.
    Who prevented Tänak to take second spare tyre like Ogier did?
    Stupid is as stupid does. Forrest Gump

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