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    Quote Originally Posted by RS View Post
    I didn’t say we shouldn’t have an army, indeed ours is also helping with the response to Coronavirus but I wonder how many hundreds of billions Britain and the USA have spent in the last two decades destroying the Middle East that might have been better invested into ventilators, intensive care beds and training nurses (which we also need outside of a pandemic)
    I believe the figure (for the US at least) is in the trillions easily

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    Rally drivers are fighting against coronavirus.

    Davide Medici is helping to produce 150,000 facemasks per day. Zelindo Melegari has made a financial donation to the local hospital in Reggio Emilia:
    https://www.fiaerc.com/erc-drivers-m...fort-in-italy/

    Kajetanowicz is supporting a campaign to help his local community in the wake of the coronavirus pandemic:
    https://www.fiaerc.com/three-time-er...irus-pandemic/
    http://www.rallymadness.prv.pl - rally photos and movies!

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    It's so annoying how they keep saying Italy, Spain and now the USA have more cases and deaths than China had. The official death figures from China are a blatant lie.

    Crematoria and morgue workers just in Wuhan estimate the number of deaths in the city as 46,000 !
    #M-SPORTER

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    Even if so it doesn't change much. All other countries following China had weeks or even months to prepare themselves and nobody did anything. It's our own arrogant ignorance which brought us into this shit we are in.
    Last edited by Mirek; 1st April 2020 at 13:07.
    Stupid is as stupid does. Forrest Gump

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mirek View Post
    Even if so it doesn't change much. All other countries following China had weeks or even months to prepare themselves and nobody did anything. It's our own arrogant ignorance which brought us into this shit we are in.
    It was tough on northern Italy which got the virus first from Chinese tourisits. They seemed to.lockdown pretty quick but it still took hold.

    The UK found the first cases in two Chinese students and they were quickly isolated so didnt spread it here.

    Then UK citizens flown back from China were quarantined for two weeks and didnt spread it.

    The big mistake was allowing 1000's of ski tourists to come back home from N.Italy unchecked.

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    No, Italy was doing nothing for way too long just like many other countries. Moreover it's not clear how it got there. Some say the Italian patient 0 actually caught it in Germany.

    In the end it doesn't matter because in the global world it is inevitable that it gets everywhere sooner or later. Even at the time when it started in China there were dozens of thousands of Europeans and Americans in China and since around 3/4 of the infected people have no symptoms, it is sure that some of them brought it to their countries even without any Chinese tourists.

    The point however is that everybody could see what an animal it is. Since January the internet was flooded with videos and photos from Wuhan with people dying in the hospital corridors or on the streets. We have had countless warnings since then. Despite that why only countries like Singapore or Vietnam were able to act immediately and prevent the spread and basically all western world just acted like that was not our business? Why even when it started we were listening bullshit talks about just a flu or later about the need for herd immunity at any cost? Why nobody had supplies of medical stuff prepared? This is what people shall ask their governments.

    Now imagine what if China was still in total chaos (as it sure would be if there were not the brutal measures they introduced). Where would we all get the medical supplies from? That's another question to ask - why do we import all essential stuff from a country with which we often like to pretend being at war (that applies especially to US)? What are we going to do if this country actually goes into a war with us? What if it is simply just incapacitated by an epidemy? Hmm?
    Stupid is as stupid does. Forrest Gump

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mirek View Post
    No, Italy was doing nothing for way too long just like many other countries. Moreover it's not clear how it got there. Some say the Italian patient 0 actually caught it in Germany.

    In the end it doesn't matter because in the global world it is inevitable that it gets everywhere sooner or later. Even at the time when it started in China there were dozens of thousands of Europeans and Americans in China and since around 3/4 of the infected people have no symptoms, it is sure that some of them brought it to their countries even without any Chinese tourists.

    The point however is that everybody could see what an animal it is. Since January the internet was flooded with videos and photos from Wuhan with people dying in the hospital corridors or on the streets. We have had countless warnings since then. Despite that why only countries like Singapore or Vietnam were able to act immediately and prevent the spread and basically all western world just acted like that was not our business? Why even when it started we were listening bullshit talks about just a flu or later about the need for herd immunity at any cost? Why nobody had supplies of medical stuff prepared? This is what people shall ask their governments.

    Now imagine what if China was still in total chaos (as it sure would be if there were not the brutal measures they introduced). Where would we all get the medical supplies from? That's another question to ask - why do we import all essential stuff from a country with which we often like to pretend being at war (that applies especially to US)? What are we going to do if this country actually goes into a war with us? What if it is simply just incapacitated by an epidemy? Hmm?
    You should be in charge, you always have the answer to everything. You know how everything should be done and its always so simple.

    Every Western government should be knocking on your door and using your genius.
    #M-SPORTER

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC View Post
    You should be in charge, you always have the answer to everything. You know how everything should be done and its always so simple.

    Every Western government should be knocking on your door and using your genius.
    Eddie, some men have more brainpower. He has not said anything wrong and I fully agree with him.
    Your outburst does not paint a better picture of you, sometimes is better to learn from others, specially if they are smarter than you, that could be beneficial.

    Now don't be an a#%e and learn from it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC View Post
    You should be in charge, you always have the answer to everything. You know how everything should be done and its always so simple.

    Every Western government should be knocking on your door and using your genius.
    I certainly prefer to discuss objective fact and arguments instead of personal attacks because that is the only way to learn for the future and not to repeat the same mistakes we already did. Nowhere it's written that this is the last such situation in our life. It may come again and likely it will. So if we are not prepared now, we shall be prepared at least next time.
    Stupid is as stupid does. Forrest Gump

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC View Post
    It's so annoying how they keep saying Italy, Spain and now the USA have more cases and deaths than China had. The official death figures from China are a blatant lie.

    Crematoria and morgue workers just in Wuhan estimate the number of deaths in the city as 46,000 !
    This is a bit too dramatic, to make move more dramatic. I was also analyzing this and I found that number of deaths by Virus in Wuhan was likely around 17-19k. You know, everything was locked down for two months. people tend to die every day and they must be placed somewhere. And if you have such situation, you burn them all. So, in two months period there should be natural deaths approximately 25k people (+/-1k). if there was 46 k, we had confirmed 3 k, we should get 46k-3k-25k(+/-1k)= 17-19 k. So, people likely infected was likely 1.7 -1.9 million. Mortality rate might be around 1%. It is stil hard to calculate, but it seems that it is the case with cruise ships where you have controlled environment and no political "hiding."
    So, for US, I calculated that number of dead people by the end of today should be 5500 and by 15th of April, ca 240 k. Lets see, luckily they are slightly behind the schedule.

    The problem with this flue is very easy to get infected and very hidden transmission, that means number of infected people is high and worst cases all need intensive care (some say 10%, but it is not clear yet, because noone knows exact number of infected people, and with natural progression, most of the countries do not have the capacity to put so many people in intensive care in one month or so. 1% might look small number. But lets take Italy, you have over 60 million people, that means, can have 600 000 people dead and upt to 6 million in intensive care? Probably the 10% is smaller, but even if it is like 5%, it is still 3 million people.
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