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    Do you take the numbers from other countries seriously then?

    For example in Belgium a lot of deaths are from retirement homes, I remember earlier this week some 280 were from retirement homes, while only 31 of them were confirmed corona cases, also people who die from heart attacked are often taken into statistics... In some other countries on the contrary they don't count those people in care centers at all. The number of new confirmed cases is probably even farther off the realistic number, not only is the number of tests a big question mark, there's also the people who they test on, and te reliability of those tests...

    A lot of numbers are being published, but imo they shouldn't be taken as facts, as all of them are incorrect in one or another way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AMSS View Post
    An interesting fact from the Roosevelt is as well that 60% of the infected never showed any symptoms at all, so this probably means the actual amount of infected people is alot bigger than currently reported worldwide.
    Source https://www.businessinsider.com/test...20-4?r=US&IR=T
    The US military population has been treated with wide range of vaccinations/ immunisations (often 20 plus) far beyond the scope of most of the general public population of developed nations. so an illness among a US military personnel population may not be representative of how the same illness moves/ presents/ effects a general public population.

    Maybe everyone might stay healthier or not get so sick if they were vaccinated against anthrax, diphtheria etc

    https://academic.oup.com/epirev/article/28/1/3/567796
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeakiwi2 View Post
    The US military population has been treated with wide range of vaccinations/ immunisations (often 20 plus) far beyond the scope of most of the general public population of developed nations. so an illness among a US military personnel population may not be representative of how the same illness moves/ presents/ effects a general public population.

    Maybe everyone might stay healthier or not get so sick if they were vaccinated against anthrax, diphtheria etc

    https://academic.oup.com/epirev/article/28/1/3/567796
    While this might be true there are still so many unknown factors that not even the scientist working in this field know of, and new information seems to arise on a daily bases.
    Therefore if the vaccinations are a factor is speculation at this point. As written in the article the majority of the crew are young healthy so that as well is probably a factor.
    Isolated groups of people like on ships and air carriers are anyhow probably the most reliable groups to make any figures of. Similar as the Diamond Princess case etc.
    But I am not a doctor nor a medical scientist so I will leave this to people better qualified and not make any public assumptions,

    Stay safe all

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    Medicines can't be produced without Chinese ingredients, protective stuff is produced in China, supplies for massive disasters are non-existent and strategic transport ability of European NATO members is close to non-existent as well!

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    @Bluuford: Finally there are the results available for the global population infection status here in CZ as we discussed few weeks ago. In fact the numbers are very low here. Out of roughly 26 thousand people selected according to the statistical model (to have real distribution in age, localities etc.) it was between 0 to 3,3% positive per locality. The global results show that less than 1% of total inhibitants has been infected. At the moment the global reproduction number here is per statistics under 0,7 (around 3 at the beginning). Only several localities, currently mainly some bordering with Bavaria still have relatively higher numbers.

    The overal number of positive tests done per day has been in the past week at around 0,5-1% (15,5% maximum at the beginning) and the number of hospitalized people keeps decreasing to 295 at the moment (450 maximum) with around 50 in serious condition (from roughly 100 at the peak).

    What is also interesting is that there is exactly one known case of person who got infected in the supermarket for the whole country. By far most of the tracked infections happen in families. I would say that what we can clearly say from our results is that facemasks work - even homemade ones. Where people wear them the risk of infection spread is very low (of course I am not speaking about hospitals).
    Stupid is as stupid does. Forrest Gump

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    Looks like we are coming in to wave 2 of the virus. Numbers are pointing the wrong way again.

    At least in my country the most cases comes from privat gatherings. You also see the Covid Fatigue starting to show, and many started to forget the basics, and it all went the wrong way.

    The R number went up over one, and new restrictions have come.
    https://www.bbc.com/news/health-52473523

    We will fight this virus long into 2021, and maybe longer, depending on when an effective vacsine becomes available to the masses.

    So this will impact rally also in 21, but lets see how much.

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    https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/trans...from1990to2020

    Not the most enjoyable of statistics, but it would appear here in England we have been in a state of constant pandemic up until 2010 with steady decline in the subsequent years till 2020 when we went back to 2009 levels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NickRally View Post
    https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/trans...from1990to2020

    Not the most enjoyable of statistics, but it would appear here in England we have been in a state of constant pandemic up until 2010 with steady decline in the subsequent years till 2020 when we went back to 2009 levels.
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    Just wait till the covidiots around here jump on you about not worshiping the scandemic 24/7...
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    The world becomes a better place gradually. Medicines and treatments are developed, cars get safer etc. Then one pandemic takes all that development back ten years and you say it's nothing? Additionally, accidental deaths likely decreased during the pandemic because people didn't leave their houses as often.

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    The "medical issue" is nothing. This is a FACT for which there's sufficient publicly available data now to prove, as @NickRally has mentioned.

    Now turning the flu into a scamdemic is really something. For which each one of you blindly obedient, mask-wearing, gene-therapy accepting, thinking-of-common-good-citizens are responsible for.

    @AnttiL, probably the "accidental deaths" that didn't happen because of people being locked up in their homes, are "nicely" compensated by deaths of undiagnosed cancer or suicide from depression, don't you think so?
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