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    https://dirtfish.com/rally/manufactu...rc-next-month/

    M-Sport are cautious and rightly so. It's time Ford came back as full factory team.

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    It's a complete mess. Only two teams look like they will sign. The FIA imposing a deadline of August.
    No other manufacturer's even being mooted. I thought M-Sport are already developing the 2022 car?
    I can't understand why the FIA and the promoter aren't making more noise about refreshing the whole championship, as opposed to insisting that everyone signs up by August.
    Things clearly not going in the correct direction in terms of attracting new manufacturers, yet they still push on, insisting the new regulations are good for the sport. Really?
    Maybe the whole thing needs to collapse to reinvent itself. It would ba a shame, but the long term may be better for it.

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    So, Toyota & Hyundai......and where are the others? Ford would come back 'officially' if they thought it was worth it. As would others.......However, the Covid-19 pandemic has surely put a stop to any others who were thinking about it.

    But the FiA are determined to plough on regardless......What could possibly go wrong.....

    Is there a better sound than that of Porsche engined Flat-6 ???

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    Quote Originally Posted by AndyRAC View Post
    So, Toyota & Hyundai......and where are the others? Ford would come back 'officially' if they thought it was worth it. As would others.......However, the Covid-19 pandemic has surely put a stop to any others who were thinking about it.

    But the FiA are determined to plough on regardless......What could possibly go wrong.....
    My thoughts exactly. I’m astonished and a bit pissed iff with their ‘everything’s good here’ attitude. Compare to F1 or the DTM, where there’s transparency between organisers / teams / fans with regard to the problems in those series.
    Arrogance beyond belief.

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    It just seems like people on wrc do not learn from past mistakes.

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    As someone on a rally podcast said recently, the 2017-Cars have been 'massive short-term gain, for massive long-term pain'.

    They have cost a fortune, lost us a great rally team (Citroen), lost us any top level privateer entry, and only made us hardcore rally fans happy and not attracted many new ones.

    This being the case, we shouldn't be surprised that the new 2022 WRC Regs (decided by & for the WRC Promoter's benefit and 2 well-funded Asian manufacturer's) wont be good for the sport either.
    #M-SPORTER

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    Quote Originally Posted by AndyRAC View Post
    So, Toyota & Hyundai......and where are the others? Ford would come back 'officially' if they thought it was worth it.
    Maybe, but they have been getting WRC publicity on the cheap for years now. M-Sport may have decided to make a stand and said they wont commit to 2022 til Ford commit to them.
    #M-SPORTER

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC View Post
    As someone on a rally podcast said recently, the 2017-Cars have been 'massive short-term gain, for massive long-term pain'.

    They have cost a fortune, lost us a great rally team (Citroen), lost us any top level privateer entry, and only made us hardcore rally fans happy and not attracted many new ones.

    This being the case, we shouldn't be surprised that the new 2022 WRC Regs (decided by & for the WRC Promoter's benefit and 2 well-funded Asian manufacturer's) wont be good for the sport either.
    I don't think a reduction in cost per car would make much difference.
    If the series meant a manufacturer stood much chance of selling more cars, they would enter.
    Remember the old Safari... they had bloody helicopters flying service technicians in mid-stage!
    It's not about cost of cars or championship entry costs, it's about exposure and return on investment and for that, you need people tuning in.
    They haven't achieved that, not even in the current format with these beastie 2017 cars, so what's going to change if they make the cars cheaper and possibly get another manufacturer on board? Another name on a trophy, but for who to see? The same hardcore fans that tune in at the moment.
    The format is stale.
    Rallying as a sport is about endurance and speed.
    What we have now is just a few super fast cars, sprinting along a few predictable stages, usually with the winner clearly visable by mid-Friday morning....
    Changing back to a more endurance based sport, which people can dip in and out of over a weekend, might sound ridiculous, but it might be what must happen. They've gone down this path of everything starting at the same time and finishing at the same time every weekend it's on, but this format simply hasn't achieved the standard it needs to for the FIA world rally championship series, in terms of exposure.
    Let's face it, how many of you are confident the sport has a bright future as things are? (even taking the dreaded Covid out of the equation).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC View Post
    As someone on a rally podcast said recently, the 2017-Cars have been 'massive short-term gain, for massive long-term pain'.

    They have cost a fortune, lost us a great rally team (Citroen), lost us any top level privateer entry, and only made us hardcore rally fans happy and not attracted many new ones.
    Under what circumstances would Citroen have continued to hang around, other than perhaps with continued domination at a low price, which couldn't be achieved once other teams turned up and they didn't have the best driver anymore? No manufacturer stays forever and they bid a long goodbye.

    The new cars have attracted new fans and brought back old ones, they aren't the problem and probably would have been funded by all but one manufacturer for a five year run. But their impact has been limited by the same issues that have dogged the WRC for 15 years, lack of exposure and uninspiring event formats. All Live is great, but casual fans will never see it. In most countries WRC Promoter haven't got the highlights show any better broadcast deals than North One did with a worse 'product'. I think privateer entries as a draw for fans is being rather overstated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T16 View Post
    What we have now is just a few super fast cars, sprinting along a few predictable stages, usually with the winner clearly visable by mid-Friday morning....
    This can only come from a person who doesn't follow the sport enough even to know if Monte is run over multiple regions.
    Changing back to a more endurance based sport, which people can dip in and out of over a weekend, might sound ridiculous, but it might be what must happen. They've gone down this path of everything starting at the same time and finishing at the same time every weekend it's on, but this format simply hasn't achieved the standard it needs to for the FIA world rally championship series, in terms of exposure.
    Have you heard of this product called All Live? Rallying has become increasingly popular during the latest few years. People are suggesting rallies would be shortened, not lengthened. Who would benefit from longer rallies, other than old farts who crave for nostalgy of the yesteryear? Also remember that the current race engines (and probably other parts as well) need a rebuild after 500 km of stages.

    Let's face it, how many of you are confident the sport has a bright future as things are? (even taking the dreaded Covid out of the equation).
    Well of course motorsport is a thing of the past, there's just no denying it. Things won't return to how it was in the 00's, 90's, 80's or 70's.

    The late great Martin Holmes said already in 2002 "The minute that rallying stops changing, it will no longer adapt itself to the changing face of life on earth, and that means the sport will be doomed".

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