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Thread: WRC future
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1st December 2020, 18:07 #1031
Funny you mentioned it this morning when this: .https://dirtfish.com/rallycross/vw-t...es-motorsport/ happened just an hour ago...
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1st December 2020, 19:37 #1032
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1st December 2020, 19:41 #1033
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1st December 2020, 20:06 #1034
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It'd make a lot of sense, if it weren't for Cupra not having the Ibiza in its range. Otherwise it'd be a no brainer. Cupra as a brand doesn't really seem to be well executed though, not having the Ibiza as an entry model doesn't seem (to me) to help. I don't see many Cupra's here in the GB, whereas SEAT Sport models of old are still a common sight and normal SEATs still seem to be selling well. Though I appreciate Cupra's are supposed to be more expensive/exclusive. How well are Cupra doing on mainland Europe?
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1st December 2020, 20:59 #1035
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That sounds bizarre. Every motorsport series is eager to get as many manus as possible but you’re somehow suggesting it shouldn’t be WRC case because it’s hard to broadcast more than 15 cars…
For a start, even on a R5+ scenario it’d be hard getting more than 5/6 manus, meaning we would never be close to the absurd figure of 50 top cars, even considering that a few top privateers would be able to get a R5+ car and fight for the wins (in the case R5+ wouldn’t be limited to manus teams).
Secondly, besides manus entry fees allowing to develop the WRC, the interest on having as manus as possible comes from manus ability to promote any motorsport series through their powerful marketing machines, directly or indirectly once they’re also one of the strongest media advertising costumers.
Finally, if the FIA and the WRC promoter feels that having 3 manus is enough and there’s little purpose on looking for more, they would be risking the series future (unfortunately, it seems to be the case) as it’s impossible to know when a manu decide to pull out. If having just 2 manus in the 00’s was already quite agonizing, nowadays that would probably mean the WRC end as a top motorsport series.Rally addict since 1982
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1st December 2020, 21:56 #1036
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Not bizzare at all. How can you avoid a scenario where a private car wins the stage overall while starting an hour after the end of broadcast? That would definitely happen because that happens even now but very rarely. The closer the top cars are to the privateer ones the more often this will happen. The closer in performance the cars are the more often they will appear in top ten (also take into account lesser reliability of R5 in the rough events) and especially first day will be very messy and difficult to follow when results broadcasted on TV will be different than real results.
Some imaginary R5+ won't be much faster than the real R5 (that is simply impossible) which means that even normal R5 would mix much more in the results than now, i.e. a chaos in results is very real thing to be expected. Those private cars will also mix in the start lists of the second and third day and take away the TV time from the manufacturers. For sure we can say they won't like that.
And why do you think they shall use for their marketing something they don't want?
How did you come to a conclusion that the proposed rules are not a way to seek for new entries? In every meaningful aspect they are designed for that far better than your R5+ which manufacturers neither want nor need.Last edited by Mirek; 1st December 2020 at 21:59.
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1st December 2020, 22:35 #1037
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Look again. The point here is on the absurdity of believing that the WRC should be fine on having a small number of manus in the series.
That sounds as a recipe to disaster and I believe you weren’t able to refute it with a single valid argument.
Strangely, it seems that Matton’s reckless otpimism on the series future is becoming contagious…Rally addict since 1982
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1st December 2020, 22:49 #1038
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Mirek is kind of right. I remembered those end of the day reports in the early '00s, sometimes some manus like Skoda, Seat, or Hyundai didn't even appear in them and if they did it was only briefly. That will not get well with manu's.
And BTW, you talk about R5+ like they are an easy thing to do. Do you know why DTM ended up getting only the normal GT3 and not GT3+? Because when they explained the idea to the manufacturers they call Berger crazy. An R5 is completely developed for what it is. Maybe you can put a bigger wing on the back, but that's it. More power will have significant costs in the development of the cars.
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2nd December 2020, 07:07 #1039
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Circuit motorsport series are not comparable because the cars run on the circuit simultaneously. I'm not saying WRC Promoter does not want more manufacturers, but I'm saying they would have problem when the number of cars capable of winning exceeds 20. And I'm sure that would lead into a similar solution as WRC2/WRC3, you would have to pay a big entry fee to register for WRC, to be able to actually win the stages or rallies and get points, and we could see a silly situation where the car with the smallest overall time doesn't win the rally. And we don't want that.
But this thought was based on the idea of normal R5 being the main class, what Colin Clark et al on twitter tout about having the local guys being able to challenge the factory drivers in their home event. If we have an R5+ thing, it would solve nicely the problem by having again a more expensive top class with more performance...and out of reach of the local guys.Last edited by AnttiL; 2nd December 2020 at 07:14.
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2nd December 2020, 07:26 #1040
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