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    Quote Originally Posted by pantealex View Post
    one GRE is 150.000€
    one Rally2 engine is 30.000€
    BUT
    adding hybrid system to Rally2 engine is way more expensive than adding it to GRE
    also Rally2 engine won´t last long enough with hybrid systems (3 engines /season is impossible with Rally2hybrid engine)
    so total costs are not that different.
    Honestly that explanation is far from clear and sounds like a Matton’s excuse for another U-turn on the regs.

    Who knows, maybe GSE’s use was a red line for Toyota, maybe all manus are running out of time to deal with so many tech changes, maybe the FIA is now more concerned about keeping current manus than getting new ones; one thing is becoming clear: future cars won’t be that less expensive, once the announced cuts will mainly serve to compensate hybrid systems extra cost.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AnttiL View Post
    Well, the current WRC cars will be as useless as GpB cars were in 1987...
    The cars themselves will be, but carrying over their engine & turbo will help and probably quite a few other parts.

    The cars wont be as drastically different as say a Delta HF was to a Delta S4.

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    I’ve read (on an article on YLE) that the turbo will be simplified

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    Mk4 Focus RS cancelled due costs for hybrid power ...

    https://drivetribe.com/p/bad-news-20...SiWreNTf7o9PbA

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC View Post
    Mk4 Focus RS cancelled due costs for hybrid power ...

    https://drivetribe.com/p/bad-news-20...SiWreNTf7o9PbA
    and that has to do with WRC future? It's been 10 years since Focus was a WRC model and we don't need homologation specials such as the RS series to make a WRC car.

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    The number of allowed engines per car per team will be reduced from three to two for 2022 https://www.dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/w...duced-in-2022/

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    Quote Originally Posted by AnttiL View Post
    and that has to do with WRC future? It's been 10 years since Focus was a WRC model and we don't need homologation specials such as the RS series to make a WRC car.
    To me its an indication of why M-Sport is going to the Puma (already hybrid) even though its no sort of performance car.

    The Mk4 Focus would be an ideal base car for rally but it seems the SUV buyer has killed it. The RS brand has been linked to rally in the past but now it seems totally dead.

    The reasonably-priced fast Ford buyer will now be stuck at the ST level.
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    The ‘base car’ isn’t really a base car in the same sense as it has been up to this point though. The car M-Sport will roll out for 2022 will most likely be the same regardless of whether they decide to slap on the headlights/grille/something resembling the side windows/rear lights from a Fiesta, Puma, Kuga or Focus.

    If a national competitor (a gentleman driver type) were rich enough they could probably buy one from M-Sport and ask they have it styled like a Focus and not a Puma 😂

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    The FIA statement read:
    "Manufacturers will be allowed to use a production bodyshell, or a prototype tubular structure to current WRC size guidelines, while the FIA is set to define carry-over elements from production vehicles for key visual elements. "There will also be an option for 'scaling' of the body within prescribed limits, to allow larger cars to comply with dimension targets."

    So Manu's can use a production bodyshell if it suits them and is the size required.

    If M-Sport 'chooses' the Puma they will have to scale it all down, whereas if they chose a Focus they could just use a production bodyshell.
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    But as the Focus is a C-segment hatch and the Puma is based on the Fiesta platform (correct me if I’m wrong) surely the Focus is bigger and anything will be scaled down to a 4000mm length as per the current min length allowed?

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