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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom K View Post
    It is true. But in WEC/Le Mans they don't seem to mind to much
    That's a different situation; WEC’s high tech Hybrid rules were endorsed by 5 manus, back in 2014. Through the years only Toyota was left, as they were desperate to finally get their Le Mans win; after it they were the first to sign for LM new rules and are already testing their 2021 Hypercar.

    On Gerard Quinn it’s not hard to imagine, once he was always close to MSport, that he may be pointing to Rally2 mild Hybrids as the way to go.

    Btw, can we say that it’s just a coincidence having both news, Rally2 Hybrids launch in 2023 and Hyundai asking for the new WRC rules delay, almost at the same time?
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    It was kind of said here before but I still write it with my own words:

    WRX (World Rallycross Championship) did cancel their decision for moving to fully electronic cars

    Reason: Manufacturers were not interested and privateers did say that it´s too expensive.

    Maybe this has nothing to do with WRC or maybe it has. Let´s wait and see.
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    Guys, as we discussed already in the past. It's unfortunately a fact that the society is changing and that the marketing value of motorsport will reasonably decrease in the future due to the very simple fact that promoting green energies via motorsport simply can not work becuase of the very principle that ecology and motorsport are oxymorons. Most of the petrolheads who create largest part of the motorsport audience refuse green energies, especially electricity and the people who buy electric cars largely ignore or outright refuse motorsport as a whole.

    I would not put that much weight to the public talk, be it from manufacturers or FIA because in my opinion behind the curtain there are serious discussions of the carmaker managing boards how to replace the motorsport in their future marketing activities. In that case they can use whatever excuse comes to their hand to quit at any time. Not saying that FIA is not part of the problem, of course.

    IMHO FIA shall ASAP start to addapt the rules to be friendliest possible for the privateers because those will most likely stay while the future with the manufacturers it's at least uncertain.
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    Rally2 cars with 'Mild' hybrid only starting in 2023 will be so far behind the times I dont see the point for Manufacturers. How can they claim this proves their technology when it will have already been in road cars for years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC View Post
    Rally2 cars with 'Mild' hybrid only starting in 2023 will be so far behind the times I dont see the point for Manufacturers. How can they claim this proves their technology when it will have already been in road cars for years.
    Rally2 cars are for privatters. They must be as affordable as possible. Hybridization will only make them much harder to operate for the privateers and more expensive. IMHO everybody involved knows that it's nonsense but FIA needs to do something for political reasons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mirek View Post

    IMHO FIA shall ASAP start to adapt the rules to be friendliest possible for the privateers because those will most likely stay while the future with the manufacturers it's at least uncertain.
    Without Manufacturers there are no cars for the privateers. Unless rallying is just going to be for 'historics' in future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC View Post
    Without Manufacturers there are no cars for the privateers. Unless rallying is just going to be for 'historics' in future.
    That's not true. It's only a question of rules. Countless rallycars around the world were built without manufacturer involvement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mirek View Post
    That's not true. It's only a question of rules. Countless rallycars around the world were built without manufacturer involvement.
    True. Still cars are being created. Mellors Iriz, Holzer Corsa, Polish Proto Cars, Spanish N4s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mirek View Post
    Guys, as we discussed already in the past. It's unfortunately a fact that the society is changing and that the marketing value of motorsport will reasonably decrease in the future due to the very simple fact that promoting green energies via motorsport simply can not work becuase of the very principle that ecology and motorsport are oxymorons.
    That’s a quite radical view.

    If this future LMDh sportcars class (for both the WEC and IMSA series) manages to get a handful of manus, as it’s expected, it’ll mean that manus are mostly concerned about motorsport programs costs, rather than questioning their interest.

    Manus are struggling to cope with lower emissions and autonomous driving costs; they must cut everywhere but there’s still room for motorsport, as long it become less expensive. A Rally2+ category using mild Hybrids could be the answer in Rally case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mirek View Post
    Guys, as we discussed already in the past. It's unfortunately a fact that the society is changing and that the marketing value of motorsport will reasonably decrease in the future due to the very simple fact that promoting green energies via motorsport simply can not work becuase of the very principle that ecology and motorsport are oxymorons. Most of the petrolheads who create largest part of the motorsport audience refuse green energies, especially electricity and the people who buy electric cars largely ignore or outright refuse motorsport as a whole.
    I wrote this to you over a year ago and it is even more relevant now. I write this as someone living in a country where 40-50% of all sold cars have been fully electric for quite a while as opposed to CZ which is on the opposite end of the scale. Electric car on the road is a norm here and the same is that everyone buys them, not just "eco-freaks".

    In the strict sense spending money/resources on any activity is a waste (if we go very strict then even living is a waste). Yet companies live by selling something and that something has to somehow attract buyers.

    To sell an electric cars these are the general themes:
    1. Buy electric cause it doesn't produce C02/NOX, PM etc..
    Any electric car fits that, doesn't matter if it uses 15 kWh/100km or 30
    2. Buy this car cause it's cool/fast/reliable etc...
    This works for any car, and if all cars are electric it is setting your car apart from the others that matters. (= main reason manus do motorsport now)

    So when most cars sold are electric (1.) you are back to (2.) which is essentially same situation as today. For electric cars specifically the argument can be that motorsport can be used to show how they can drive fast over longer distances and recharge fast.


    In detail:

    ....people who buy electric cars largely ignore or outright refuse motorsport as a whole.
    - Lot of "motorheads" now buy electric, here there is a general move from mid-performance BMWs and Audis (that make the bulk of their sales) to electric cars. Porsche Taycan sales worldwide vs rest of their range at the moment is another great example. Are those people buying Taycan people that outright refuse or ignore motorsport? Tesla also does a lot of their marketing based on acceleration numbers and now recently also on lap times (Plaid etc..).

    - "People who buy electric cars", given the current regulation trend this will be the majority of all people buying cars in a few years. The majority of the people will not magically change their nature. Or even simplier said, boys wont suddenly stop playing with cars, boys that are 5-6 years old now play with cars. 15-20 years from now they will be driving cars, maybe not for daily commute to work in a big city but for other transport or freetime activites.

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