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    Doesn't Fiesta ST isn't good enough. Toyota is developing new Yaris GR-4.. And I'm sure that with new i20 we will soon seen N version of it too.

    Even if one of them try icons will never be replaced.

    Lancer and Impreza are legends, just like quattro, Delta or Escort.

    I'm very impressed when I see it in person but I can't say that for "new versions" of Delta, WRX, and "newest" Lancer.

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    There is little information about the technical side of the Yaris GR-4 but Fiesta ST can not be in any way compared to the cars like STi or Evo.
    Stupid is as stupid does. Forrest Gump

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    Shame none of the 4WD hot-hatches of today have any link wirh rallying.

    The Golf R for example is about the dullest looking and driving performance car out there. And even the Focus RS looks anonymous to the general public.

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    Can someone do a photoshop of a Rally Taycan

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    In another thread Rally Power (and Cali) suggested writing about my thoughts on the rally future, which I, out of respect, will do, but following the discussion so far, I think pretty much every topic has been covered well.

    • Spaceframe chassis – knowing how things have developed in other forms of motorsport, I won’t be surprised if FIA (as already suggested in this thread) introduce a single make spaceframe assembly supplied to each manufacturer for them to add their own mechanical components and bodywork. Will it be a chipper way for existing manufacturers to go rallying and facilitate new ones to enter in - most likely. Am I fun of this solution – no, but if it allows rallying to survive, I am not going to be against it. Other series have gone through a similar process (i.e. Nascar moving from stock chassis to spaceframe long time ago and DTM with single type survival cell), so it is difficult to argue.
    • Propulsion system type – I am an older generation, so the internal combustion engine is engrained in my DNA, though as an engineer, I can’t fail to see the advantages of the electric motor as a propulsion system (obviously the energy source for these is not yet there). My fear is that neither (or combination there off) of these is a satisfactory solution one way or another, as pointed out in various posts here. The potential and hypothetical new generation of spectators that would be interested in electric power is not tremendously concerned with motorsport in general, while the older one like me, with the internal combustion engine in mind, do not represent a segment of the population that the manufacturers much care about. Some form of hybrid may temporarily satisfy the current manufacturers but, as pointed by others, even this is becoming quickly outdated in the automotive world. And we have to agree with Mirek, that rallying must be attractive from marketing point of view to the manufacturers in order to persuade them to splash the cash on rally cars.

    All of the above means it will be very challenging for motorsport to survive in general. Interestingly somebody at work pointed out to the below (few months old now) link yesterday – even less reasons to be optimistic

    https://www.thegwpf.com/net-zero-co2...ant-every-day/



    Interestingly, I am of the opinion that the future of transportation will look like in the Minority Report film, with the automated city/motorway cars (in my opinion) being powered by rails embedded in the road with small batteries present to cover any stretches of unpowered roads, which leaves even less room for any marketing interest in rallying from whatever vehicle manufacturers are left out there.

    On the positive side, historic motorsport will most likely thrive, at least for a while as the rich would be able to buy their way out of anything.
    Last edited by NickRally; 10th December 2019 at 14:32.

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    By the way Toyota GR-4 sounds great, I am sure they didn’t mean Gazoo Racing by the “GR” acronym, but “Group” 4 – excellent reference to the heritage of rallying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NickRally View Post
    By the way Toyota GR-4 sounds great, I am sure they didn’t mean Gazoo Racing by the “GR” acronym, but “Group” 4 – excellent reference to the heritage of rallying.
    GR just like the Toyota Supra GR stands for Gazoo Racing. GR (Gazoo Racing) is basically Toyota's "M" division like the BMW.

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    Quote Originally Posted by racerx1979 View Post
    GR just like the Toyota Supra GR stands for Gazoo Racing. GR (Gazoo Racing) is basically Toyota's "M" division like the BMW.
    Hi racerx1979, it was a joke

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    The absolute state of watching that stage-side.

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