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    Quote Originally Posted by Mirek View Post
    Sorry to disagree again. The issue is not the cost but the value in the current socia-political climate. Simply the manufacturers need to have a reason to invest. It doesn't help if you manage to decrease cost by let's say 20% (that's a lot) if the value is not there. The same applies vice versa.
    In other words - would you buy something which you neither need nor want just because it's cheap? Probably not, right?
    This isn't about going cheap; it's about controlling costs and avoid their escalation because costs do matter in motorsport.

    Instead of a rhetorical question I'll give you a proper example: in 2011 Peugeot leaved the WEC/LM, a high valued series for them, due to increasing costs (notably the first Hybrid regs); they moved to the Dakar and later to the WRX and now they're getting back to WEC/LM because the revised Hybrid regs are quite less expensive than before: https://media.groupe-psa.com/en/psa-...ampionship-wec

    Actually, WEC/LM recent history is a lesson on cost escalation effects; from 4 manus in 2015, Toyota was the only one left from 2018 onward. Most moved to the less expensive FE, certainly a series with an increasing value but still far from WEC/LM global reputation. This piece was written after Porsche WEC pull out and it's not hard to see how simillar the WRC scene is starting to look: https://www.motortrend.com/news/pors...ula-e-program/

    P.S.: people tend to forget, but during the WRC 2L final period, with only two manus left and one clearly dominating, the FIA spent several years hearing the manus but they could never agree on new rules. At some point Mosley, then FIA president, even suggested returning to RWD cars!; finally, a few monthes after Todt was elected new president, the FIA ended the discussions and went for smaller and less expensive WRC cars, the first 1.6L generation. Like then, I wouldn't be surprised if the FIA ends imposing 2022 regs without manus agreement.
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    The dilemma when talking to manus while making the rules is always the same...

    a) listen to the 2-3 manus that are in the series at the moment to make them stay
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    b) listen more to those interested in joining (but then you need firm commitment at some point)

    The manus already in the series are very likely to want as few changes as possible so that they have a development advantage and can re-use as much of their existing cars as possible. The manus interested in joining will likely want the opposite.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mknight View Post
    The dilemma when talking to manus while making the rules is always the same...

    a) listen to the 2-3 manus that are in the series at the moment to make them stay
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    b) listen more to those interested in joining (but then you need firm commitment at some point)

    The manus already in the series are very likely to want as few changes as possible so that they have a development advantage and can re-use as much of their existing cars as possible. The manus interested in joining will likely want the opposite.
    And the solution is nearly always option (a) - which, understandably is the safe option.

    I've often wondered when new regs are proposed whether the FiA are brave/ radical enough to go for option (b) if the new regs suit another set of Manufacturers better? New regs tend to be an evolution of the previous regs. It would be interesting if they went in another direction....


    Costs are an important consideration for Manufacturers; however, they'll think its worth joining if there is an excellent RoI/ media exposure, etc Does the current WRC offer this? I'm not sure it does.

    Is there a better sound than that of Porsche engined Flat-6 ???

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    Quote Originally Posted by AndyRAC View Post
    Costs are an important consideration for Manufacturers; however, they'll think its worth joining if there is an excellent RoI/ media exposure, etc Does the current WRC offer this? I'm not sure it does.
    WRC could be better at Youtube, I'm getting more views on video's from the National championship.
    They should take note from what F1 has been doing the last 2-3 years, they put out great content all the time bringing in new and younger fans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SubaruNorway View Post
    WRC could be better at Youtube, I'm getting more views on video's from the National championship.
    They should take note from what F1 has been doing the last 2-3 years, they put out great content all the time bringing in new and younger fans.
    While I agree with the second part I don't think the views metric on your vids is a good example, maybe quite the opposite?

    For National championship there are few good vids/coverage so people go watch your vids. For WRC rallies there is tons of coverage on allive/WRC+ as well as tons of fan vids, so less reason to watch yours in particular?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mknight View Post
    For National championship there are few good vids/coverage so people go watch your vids. For WRC rallies there is tons of coverage on allive/WRC+ as well as tons of fan vids, so less reason to watch yours in particular?
    Most of his highest viewed videos are WRC rallies, including Finland and Spain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mknight View Post
    While I agree with the second part I don't think the views metric on your vids is a good example, maybe quite the opposite?

    For National championship there are few good vids/coverage so people go watch your vids. For WRC rallies there is tons of coverage on allive/WRC+ as well as tons of fan vids, so less reason to watch yours in particular?
    This is just some of my average video's from Norway, WRC channel should be able to get much more if they promoted it properly.
    I didn't mean that my own WRC video's were doing bad, quite the opposite especially with the new cars with Catalunya last year when i could do all the good spots and got 2.1 mill views.

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    I just read an interesting list of 2020's predictions from a columnist in CAR Magazine. Among them he states that all forms of motorsport will reduce greatly in popularity with the growth of electric cars.

    This will be as Manu's wont see how it will promote their road cars as performance and driving fun isnt their USP. And also racing/rallying wont be seen as an ethical way to promote such "green' transport.

    And of course there is also the problem that any 'e-rally cars' will likey be as unpopular to watch as Formula-E ones are compared to regular F1 cars.

    This all sounds quite credible to me and makes the future of rallying more uncertain than ever.

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    I think that Manus, who plan to race in WRC, should make similar road cars.. as they once did with STi's and EVO's.. I imagine smth like 250bhp 4wd hybrid cars..

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    Quote Originally Posted by TypeR View Post
    I think that Manus, who plan to race in WRC, should make similar road cars.. as they once did with STi's and EVO's.. I imagine smth like 250bhp 4wd hybrid cars..
    They will not. This is pretty clear. Such cars are super expensive to develop and produce and will be even more with the new emission standards. You would need to sell millions of them to make them profitable and that is of course nothing but sci-fi. Such market simply doesn't exist.
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