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    Paddon in action with the Kona

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFMwLKqYtMU

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    Electric cars need:
    a) Noise generators in the cars or otherwise enforcement of total spectator control, to the point of impossibility. Or even banning of spectators. Otherwise, due to lack of noise there will be many accidents with spectators.
    b) Solutions and change of rules regarding temperature control and/or the weather conditions in rallying. Lithium batteries have lower and upper temperature limits. Right now, no electric car can endure a traditional Acropolis rally with temperatures in the car reaching 55 degrees Celsius.
    c) Change of rules for roll-cages. A roll-cage that can withstand forces generated from 1250 kg is different than a cage that can withstand forces generated from 1600 kg.

    I wish the best to the young generations of rally fans. I myself will stick to my old-school rally car. And most likely I will also buy a rwd Celica TA4 or Escort MkII or Ascona B. If you have one for sale, let me know.
    Last edited by scn; 15th February 2021 at 19:17.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sulland View Post
    Getting worse and worse..
    This news is like a spit in the face for a team like M-Sport..
    There are no new manus for 22' and no way that any new manu will join before 25', because why would someone develop a hundreds of thousands worth car for 2 years only..

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    Hyundai still haven't committed for 2022. How are they going to get a car ready so late ?

    Adamo: "At the moment the development of the car hasn't started and that will only happen when and if we have a positive answer from our HQ in Korea."

    https://www.autosport.com/wrc/news/1...mpete-in-2022/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC View Post
    Hyundai still haven't committed for 2022. How are they going to get a car ready so late ?

    Adamo: "At the moment the development of the car hasn't started and that will only happen when and if we have a positive answer from our HQ in Korea."

    https://www.autosport.com/wrc/news/1...mpete-in-2022/
    So, who's going to write this same article next week?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC View Post
    Hyundai still haven't committed for 2022. How are they going to get a car ready so late ?

    Adamo: "At the moment the development of the car hasn't started and that will only happen when and if we have a positive answer from our HQ in Korea."

    https://www.autosport.com/wrc/news/1...mpete-in-2022/
    Adamo politics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scn View Post
    Electric cars need:
    a) Noise generators in the cars or otherwise enforcement of total spectator control, to the point of impossibility. Or even banning of spectators. Otherwise, due to lack of noise there will be many accidents with spectators.
    b) Solutions and change of rules regarding temperature control and/or the weather conditions in rallying. Lithium batteries have lower and upper temperature limits. Right now, no electric car can endure a traditional Acropolis rally with temperatures in the car reaching 55 degrees Celsius.
    c) Change of rules for roll-cages. A roll-cage that can withstand forces generated from 1250 kg is different than a cage that can withstand forces generated from 1600 kg.

    I wish the best to the young generations of rally fans. I myself will stick to my old-school rally car. And most likely I will also buy a rwd Celica TA4 or Escort MkII or Ascona B. If you have one for sale, let me know.

    a) I agree that some extra sound is neeed. Paddon already added "sound amplifier" to his electric car, keeping same sound just making it louder. I'd say it's a better solution than putting artificial V12 sound or something. Not quite sure his current sound is all that great

    b) Obviously you are not following EV cars much. Yes lithium batteries need certain temperature range to work best.... which is why the whole difficulty of efficient EV design is battery temperature control (and aerodynamics). Since Tesla S introduction 9 years ago integrated fluid-based battery temperature management has become standard on EVs. Basically no single non-basic EV today does not have it.
    Those work at +55 and at -20 as well. For too high temperature it's only a question of cooling sizing, bigger radiator and bigger water pump... for too low it's a question of how much electricity you use to warm up the battery. If effiiency/range is not a big concern (like in a rally car) this is not a problem. Certainly not compared to current cars with white-hot turbos and red-hot exhausts on full ALS running trough the length of the car (guess what makes the car go +55 on Acropolis)

    c) Sure, that's just a technicality though. Check out what forces F1 crash structure can take and what size it is.

    I like watching steam engines too... or sailboat racing for that matter. Don't have a problem watching EV rally car.

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    I watch WRC since 1984.
    Of all cars, my favorite ones are the past generation of WRC with mechanical diffs, in 2015-2016, due to crazy sliding angles.
    But, the most spectacular cars ever, due to insane speeds, are the current ones. More spectacular than any previous car, including GrB.
    Is it sure that the right thing to do is to change them to something more heavy, more expensive and slower?

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    The current cars are such an epic success that we are now down to 2 manus, maybe 1,5 next year.

    (EDIT: Current rules were great in 2017 (5 manus!), and the first 3 years of the cycle. These last two extra years they are overdue for replacement)

    So obviously you need to change something. Hybrid by itself does not necessarily lead to them being slower.

    Lack of active central diff will, as well as some reduced suspension travel and less aero. Not sure about suspension travel but the other two are the two biggest cost drivers.
    Active diff due to zillion settings that require tons of very expensive testing.
    Aero due to the cost of replacing carbon parts that get knocked off.

    In terms of sliding 2022 should be closer to 2015-2016 than current ones due to the dif change.
    Last edited by mknight; 15th February 2021 at 22:23.

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