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    'The biggest fear in the championship is having to delay the arrival of hybrids. Formula 1 and NASCAR have both pushed back planned major technical rules changes amid the current coronavirus hiatus.

    Such a move in the WRC could mean the loss of Hyundai and Ford, both of whom have made clear the need to use alternative energy from 2022.'

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    I think wrc will either have to keep these rules or then jump way back to cheaper and simpler cars. This can become a major concern. Also doubt on how long the calendar is with many expensive races. Lets see.

    Just hope that wrc is able to finish 2020 and continue next year aswell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by masa90 View Post
    I think wrc will either have to keep these rules or then jump way back to cheaper and simpler cars. This can become a major concern. (...)
    The new rules path is beyond comprehension; initially the aim was only to adapt a mild hybrid system to the current cars, later it was told that the cars would be based in cost saving R5 tech and now they’re in between.

    Apparently the FIA is writing the regs on a permanent compromise with all the manus, which can explain the regs delay and some confusing measures, like reducing suspension travel to save a few euros while keeping mega expensive GREngines…
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC View Post
    Such a move in the WRC could mean the loss of Hyundai and Ford, both of whom have made clear the need to use alternative energy from 2022.'
    That sounds speculative; manus wanted to include Hybrids in the new regs but that doesn’t mean they’ll leave if the regs are delayed one year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rally Power View Post
    keeping mega expensive GREngines…
    one GRE is 150.000€
    one Rally2 engine is 30.000€

    BUT

    adding hybrid system to Rally2 engine is way more expensive than adding it to GRE
    also Rally2 engine won´t last long enough with hybrid systems (3 engines /season is impossible with Rally2hybrid engine)
    so total costs are not that different.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pantealex View Post
    one GRE is 150.000€
    one Rally2 engine is 30.000€

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    adding hybrid system to Rally2 engine is way more expensive than adding it to GRE
    also Rally2 engine won´t last long enough with hybrid systems (3 engines /season is impossible with Rally2hybrid engine)
    so total costs are not that different.
    In that way it is ok to make the decision to stick the current type engine. But I am pretty sure that it will be really hard for manufacturers to justify spending so much money with the coming financial situation.

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    I was watching a preview of the 1986 RAC Rally last night and they interviewed some drivers about the banning of the Group B cars.

    Malcolm Wilson & Tony Pond said they should have reduced the power of the cars and Wilson wanted turbos banned to reduce the fire risk. They both thought the cars could be made safe to use, instead of being thrown away altogether and going to Gp. A cars.

    At least for 2022 there isnt a wholesale WRC car ban and start from scratch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC View Post
    I was watching a preview of the 1986 RAC Rally last night and they interviewed some drivers about the banning of the Group B cars.

    Malcolm Wilson & Tony Pond said they should have reduced the power of the cars and Wilson wanted turbos banned to reduce the fire risk. They both thought the cars could be made safe to use, instead of being thrown away altogether and going to Gp. A cars.

    At least for 2022 there isnt a wholesale WRC car ban and start from scratch.
    Well, the current WRC cars will be as useless as GpB cars were in 1987...

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    Quote Originally Posted by pantealex View Post
    one GRE is 150.000€
    one Rally2 engine is 30.000€
    BUT
    adding hybrid system to Rally2 engine is way more expensive than adding it to GRE
    also Rally2 engine won´t last long enough with hybrid systems (3 engines /season is impossible with Rally2hybrid engine)
    so total costs are not that different.
    Honestly that explanation is far from clear and sounds like a Matton’s excuse for another U-turn on the regs.

    Who knows, maybe GSE’s use was a red line for Toyota, maybe all manus are running out of time to deal with so many tech changes, maybe the FIA is now more concerned about keeping current manus than getting new ones; one thing is becoming clear: future cars won’t be that less expensive, once the announced cuts will mainly serve to compensate hybrid systems extra cost.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AnttiL View Post
    Well, the current WRC cars will be as useless as GpB cars were in 1987...
    The cars themselves will be, but carrying over their engine & turbo will help and probably quite a few other parts.

    The cars wont be as drastically different as say a Delta HF was to a Delta S4.

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