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    Quote Originally Posted by tommeke_B View Post
    You're wrong. The previous generation of the Fiesta WRC used the Ecoboost 1.6 from the Fiesta ST for their WRC. Of course apart from the engine block most components were different. With the current generation it's a different engine, and little to no visibility for the "ecoboost" logo.
    They still have Powered by Ecoboost stickers on the cars since 2017 and they always use it in their media:

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    Quote Originally Posted by tommeke_B View Post
    You're wrong. The previous generation of the Fiesta WRC used the Ecoboost 1.6 from the Fiesta ST for their WRC. Of course apart from the engine block most components were different. With the current generation it's a different engine, and little to no visibility for the "ecoboost" logo.
    Even the block won't be the same. It may come from the same factory but that's about it.

    All i'm trying to say is that they can lie about it and nobody cares. So why not just tell people the cars are hybrids without them actually being so.
    If necessary we could put some small cheap electric unit in it that will power the car for 1 kilometer or so. Then it won't even be lying.

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    They can call it how they like, if it`s an Ecoboost, then it is an ecoboost, just Ford`s trademark for their Turbo engines.
    And indeed, previous Fiesta WRC had a modified stock block (as can be seen in the video below), but the last versioon i believe was casted for only WRC cars.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYbMk50awO0

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    Quote Originally Posted by denkimi View Post

    If necessary we could put some small cheap electric unit in it that will power the car for 1 kilometer or so. Then it won't even be lying.
    You’ve just described the 2022 hybrid rules

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    Quote Originally Posted by denkimi View Post
    In the end it doesn't really matter what's under the hood. The people who know usually care about rallying, and those who don't know can be satisfied by telling them whatever they want to hear.
    You probably never watched an electric race yourself, right? Otherwise you would know that it's boring as hell. From my own experience you can sleep just next to the track and not only because it's quiet but also because the behavior of electric cars is so much more boring that it hurts (the torque vectoring, traction, torque curve, everything is way too ideal to give any excitement; in simple words the cars not only sound lazy but they also look lazy even though they are not).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mirek View Post
    (the torque vectoring, traction, torque curve, everything is way too ideal to give any excitement; in simple words the cars not only sound lazy but they also look lazy even though they are not).
    Similar problem with hybrid F1. 1000BHP but they look pretty easy to drive.

    I’m not sure this would apply to a proper gravel rally stage though?

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    Heard something about Subaru and Mitsubishi is going back to WRC from 22/23, but is it anything in it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mirek View Post
    You probably never watched an electric race yourself, right? Otherwise you would know that it's boring as hell. From my own experience you can sleep just next to the track and not only because it's quiet but also because the behavior of electric cars is so much more boring that it hurts (the torque vectoring, traction, torque curve, everything is way too ideal to give any excitement; in simple words the cars not only sound lazy but they also look lazy even though they are not).
    I never watched a WRC-level rally with an electric car.... probably cause there hasn't been one.
    How "lazy" behavior of the car will be depends a lot on what the rules are for everything. Still can't see how it can't be exciting jumping sideways at 150 kph on fast gravel rally. Neither can I see how it is going to be quiet on gravel.

    On tarmac it depends much more on the rules, but say a 2006 WRC with 3 active diffs on smooth tarmac in Spain isn't exactly massive excitement either. As to the sound, tires are by far the loudest sound coming from an R5 car doing over 90 kph.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mknight View Post
    As to the sound, tires are by far the loudest sound coming from an R5 car doing over 90 kph.
    Actually you can only notice R5's tires noise on the slow braking and sliding zones. Anyway, I'm always puzzled to see fans supporting full EV's in the WRC, or any other top motorsport series, when those still faill to get a 3% share in the car world market.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rally Power View Post
    Actually you can only notice R5's tires noise on the slow braking and sliding zones. Anyway, I'm always puzzled to see fans supporting full EV's in the WRC, or any other top motorsport series, when those still faill to get a 3% share in the car world market.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BG0K...ju-OiQ&index=2

    Most of the sound in that vid is from tires (not sliding). Anyway that is tarmac, on fast gravel you only hear the gravel sounds. Remember that lack of sound is nothing new, N4 Evos were similar.

    EVs (and hybrids) is what is promoted by manufacturers in Europe. (WRC is very much European series, so much teams are even mandated by the rules to be based in Europe).
    If you want manufacturers in the sport it helps to have a vague resemblance to what they are trying to sell. This has historically been the main thing setting rallying appart from things like F1.

    Sure lately it's more about brand building, but building a brand on petrol while trying to promote EV/hybrid is difficult.
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