WRC future

[Oops!]

And here's something else to think about.... Despite Malcolm's whinging every year he has the WRC/FIA over a barrel for a long time now and he knows it... Msport is not running at a loss... R5 cars are certainly not capped at 190,000 Euros/£160,000... Anybody that has ordered the latest one will tell you that. Ladder of opportunity? That's a good one.... Wilson certainly isn't worried about the "sport".... He's right about one thing though, the top level cars need to be closer to R5 spec, not a space framed hybrid....

[T16]

And here's something else to think about.... Despite Malcolm's whinging every year he has the WRC/FIA over a barrel for a long time now and he knows it... Msport is not running at a loss... R5 cars are certainly not capped at 190,000 Euros/£160,000... Anybody that has ordered the latest one will tell you that. Ladder of opportunity? That's a good one.... Wilson certainly isn't worried about the "sport".... He's right about one thing though, the top level cars need to be closer to R5 spec, not a space framed hybrid....

Do you not think he may have a point about the WRC cars becoming more expensive, regardless of the fantastic (R5 and other cars) business model he’s created and should be commended for?

[Oops!]

Read the last line of my post again..... I doubt he's worried if he's patted on the back or not...

[T16]

Read the last line of my post again..... I doubt he's worried if he's patted on the back or not...

Patted on the back?

[Mirek]

He's right about one thing though, the top level cars need to be closer to R5 spec, not a space framed hybrid....

No, the spaceframe is necessary because it opens the door to every single manufacturer in the world. Cars based on production model mean that less and less manufacturers can join even if they wanted.

The spaceframe is not what makes it expensive. Look at the Dakar, there are loads of spaceframe-based cars and most of them are privately-built. It's no rocket science.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

It's a good job M-Sport do make money on their R5 as the sales of 2017-spec WRC's have been just five cars in 3 years...

[Sulland]

If the plan is as Mr Matton says, to keep the total output for the new WRCar at aprox the same level as today, and that is ca 400.

One way is to use an R5 engine as the petrol part, and that is aprox 300, you need the hybrid part to be 100 hp.
Then you keep cost lower for the petrol engine, and have to add 100 hybrid horses.

What other ways can you get cost down, so you can get privateers into the Rally 1 class, that also is FIAs aim for the future?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Isnt a big part of the current cars extra costs compared to an R5 down to all the aero - both testing it and the parts themselves ?

Remember Ostberg begging for his Fiesta rear spoiler to be returned...

[AnttiL]

Isnt a big part of the current cars extra costs compared to an R5 down to all the aero - both testing it and the parts themselves ?

Aero is expensive, but the rear wing or front bumper on an R5 car isn't free either.

The price cap itself is most important in R5. When you have to sell the car at a certain price you don't want to put too expensive parts in it.

[RS]

If the plan is as Mr Matton says, to keep the total output for the new WRCar at aprox the same level as today, and that is ca 400.

One way is to use an R5 engine as the petrol part, and that is aprox 300, you need the hybrid part to be 100 hp.
Then you keep cost lower for the petrol engine, and have to add 100 hybrid horses.

What other ways can you get cost down, so you can get privateers into the Rally 1 class, that also is FIAs aim for the future?

They're talking about 100KW for the electric part which is about 140BHP.