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    Quote Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC View Post
    What are the existing cars going to be called... eg Citroen C3 R5... Citroen C3 Rally2 ?
    Yes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC View Post
    What are the existing cars going to be called... eg Citroen C3 R5... Citroen C3 Rally2 ?
    You really didn´t know that there are ?

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    https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/how-p...riving-styles/

    Esapekka Lappi reminds again how the new rules will mean that they cannot drive flat out all the time like now

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    As automotive companies are starting to face the harsh realities caused by the lockdowns and the potential future, I think we might end up thinking of a completely different kind of rallying future. When sorting old magazines last weekend, came upon a graph showing who controls which car brands. There are 14 different big companies controlling most of the brands.

    Today read the news that Renault is in deep trouble (Link to Reuters article, dated 22nd May). And obviously everyone is on a cost saving mission but tough times lead to mergers as well. So the outlook for new manufacturers to enter WRC doesn't look very bright, in my opinion.

    If to look at the very dark scenario, that many different manufacturers will have very difficult times and even more brands will end up being owned by even less companies, then could we end up with a situation where no manufacturer would be interested in running a WRC marketing campaign? If it goes that way, will the customer racing have to take the leading role in WRC? Or could there be a crazy move to private outfits and more prototype style class (if the manufacturers won't let use their vehicles' designs or other restrictions from them)?

    Just throwing some ideas in the air as the future looks very different now than it was 5 months ago.
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    If the sport comes down to a level where privateers can afford to run a WRC season, the costs will equally be low enough for manufacturers to have a program for relatively negligible cost. Especially if there's presumably still a market for selling cars to privateers in your scenario. In your doomsday scenario, Formula 1 could be decimated very quickly, but rallying could weather the same storm, as it can theoretically downsize costs very quickly while maintaining a largely similar product.

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    but manufacturers don't want that. why to sell the R5 car for 250 000€ as a top car in WRC when you can rent your car for something less money then that (David Richards and Malcolm Wilson invented that). also they want silver rockets as WRC cars.

    R5 should be top category with that price

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    Quote Originally Posted by the sniper View Post
    If the sport comes down to a level where privateers can afford to run a WRC season, the costs will equally be low enough for manufacturers to have a program for relatively negligible cost. Especially if there's presumably still a market for selling cars to privateers in your scenario. In your doomsday scenario, Formula 1 could be decimated very quickly, but rallying could weather the same storm, as it can theoretically downsize costs very quickly while maintaining a largely similar product.
    In the light of the Renault news, F1 might end up with just Ferrari and Mercedes as factory teams. Haven't been following F1 for some time, so not sure how to classify Alfa Romeo. But F1 really don't rely on manufacturers filling the grid.

    Rallying itself would survive, but what I'm more interested in is how will the current crisis affect the manufacturers' involvement. Car manufacturers are in a quite similar situation to the airlines as both are losing money because there are considerably less people buying their products/services. And all the changes in employment will affect the future spendings of people, who will most likely postpone big expenditure. Plus the drop in travel industry will affect car rentals. On top of the drop in sales, there's still the pressure for the manufacturers to make their vehicle fleet greener. And those developments are expensive and different manufacturers are already working together to reduce development costs. Manufacturers also have lots of debt, which needs paying.

    We need to keep in mind that big corporations are run by finance guys in the first place and their only aim is to earn profit and spend as little as possible.

    Five months ago I would had thought this doomsday scenario is bonkers, but like I wrote in the previous post the world is very different now. And we don't even know when life will be back on normal track.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Franky View Post
    Five months ago I would had thought this doomsday scenario is bonkers, but like I wrote in the previous post the world is very different now. And we don't even know when life will be back on normal track.

    Probably Toyota and Hyundai will get over Covid impacts better than any western manu and MSport depends less and less on Ford sake to be at the WRC. The FIA failled to get new manus into the series long before the pandemic (PSA is focused on LeMans/WEC, Skoda is trapped on VW’s electric plan and Subaru is taken an eternity to decide its return) and there was little more to do than getting a compromise with the 3 current manus.

    Even if some aspects of that compromise sounds weird (like saving on dampers specs while keeping the expensive GREngines) and there’s no way that 2022 cars will cost €500k like Matton promissed (manus will pay over 100k per car just for the hybrid system), the truth is that the 3 manus agreed on 2022 tech guidelines, so post-Covid savings will likely happen on running costs.

    After the announced limitations on major parts replacement, it’s not hard to predict that, as many are already talking, we may end with shorter events or even a smaller calendar. If so, let’s hope those changes can be made in a reasonable way.
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    Agreed
    https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/new-w...CCMKDfL1aPNWxc

    Rally should be the motorsport where local lads can compete with (almost) same equipment as the pros, as they now does in wrc2 and 3. The privateers love to beat the factory drivers!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sulland View Post
    Agreed
    https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/new-w...CCMKDfL1aPNWxc

    Rally should be the motorsport where local lads can compete with (almost) same equipment as the pros, as they now does in wrc2 and 3. The privateers love to beat the factory drivers!
    Basically yes but like in most other sports WORLD level is bit different thing.
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