Page 87 of 130 FirstFirst ... 3777858687888997 ... LastLast
Results 861 to 870 of 1296

Thread: WRC future

  1. #861
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Oct 2000
    Posts
    8,808
    Like
    2,073
    Liked 2,241 Times in 1,199 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by Rallyper View Post
    Shouldn´t be rocket science to get the R5´s to sound more.
    Indeed..

    Anyone know what they changed in the WRC engine regulations to make them sound better? Some of the 2L WRC engines were particularly quiet and boring sounding (Focus and 307)

  2. #862
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Oct 2000
    Posts
    8,808
    Like
    2,073
    Liked 2,241 Times in 1,199 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by AnttiL View Post
    Rally2 cars aren't as durable as WRC's so it would require a more cautious approach to get to the finish. Technical and mechanical failures, suspension collapsing or driveshafts snapping would be more common. It would change the nature of the sport.
    I think that’s a bit of an exaggeration. The top R5 crews push their cars pretty hard and there aren’t that many mechanical problems for them these days. Sure if the Tanaks and Ogiers and Neuvilles are driving them they are pushing them a bit harder but I don’t see that it would change the nature of the sport.

    Every rally is a balance between driving as fast as possible whilst not crashing or damaging the car or tyres no matter what you are driving.

  3. Likes: AndyRAC (29th October 2020)
  4. #863
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2019
    Posts
    849
    Like
    227
    Liked 591 Times in 314 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by T16 View Post
    AnttiL, you keep suggesting that the current Rally2 cars aren’t up to the job of a power increase etc, but couldn’t they just beef everything (suspension / shafts etc) up a little, so the cars can handle more power / harder driving etc?
    basically a rally1...

  5. Likes: AnttiL (29th October 2020),EstWRC (29th October 2020),Hartusvuori (29th October 2020),pantealex (30th October 2020),T16 (29th October 2020)
  6. #864
    Senior Member AnttiL's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2017
    Location
    Finland
    Posts
    9,625
    Like
    8,775
    Liked 10,522 Times in 4,616 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by T16 View Post
    AnttiL, you keep suggesting that the current Rally2 cars aren’t up to the job of a power increase etc, but couldn’t they just beef everything (suspension / shafts etc) up a little, so the cars can handle more power / harder driving etc?
    There goes the cost savings and "having already a number of cars / teams on the start line"

  7. Likes: Hartusvuori (29th October 2020),pantealex (30th October 2020)
  8. #865
    Senior Member AnttiL's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2017
    Location
    Finland
    Posts
    9,625
    Like
    8,775
    Liked 10,522 Times in 4,616 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by RS View Post
    I think that’s a bit of an exaggeration. The top R5 crews push their cars pretty hard and there aren’t that many mechanical problems for them these days. Sure if the Tanaks and Ogiers and Neuvilles are driving them they are pushing them a bit harder but I don’t see that it would change the nature of the sport.

    Every rally is a balance between driving as fast as possible whilst not crashing or damaging the car or tyres no matter what you are driving.
    Difficult to say who is pushing hard and who not. Many drivers who graduate from WRC2 to WRC have said that the level of competition and pace is so different, you have to go flat out all the time whereas in WRC2 it's not so tough.

    As for retirements in WRC2, in Sardegna for example Fourmaux, Camilli and Gryazin retired with mechanical issues, and Østberg lost a lot of time with driveshaft issues.

    Meanwhile, we have Tidemand and Bulacia leading WRC2 and WRC3, and they have rarely been the fastest crews on stage times. And remember how ERC was won last year?
    Last edited by AnttiL; 29th October 2020 at 10:44.

  9. Likes: Hartusvuori (29th October 2020),pantealex (30th October 2020),steve.mandzij (29th October 2020)
  10. #866
    Senior Member AnttiL's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2017
    Location
    Finland
    Posts
    9,625
    Like
    8,775
    Liked 10,522 Times in 4,616 Posts
    Also read this about the difference between the WRC/Rally1 GRE engine and the Rally2 engine

    On source said: “While the potential for working from a Rally2 [R5] base engine might have been more economic, it would have raised questions over reliability and durability as well as performance.

    “We would need to have more [Rally2-based] engines to get through the season, whereas we can make the GRE last longer.”

    https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/wrc-k...2-hybrid-move/

    and comments from Lappi

    “I have experience from the R5 which is definitely weaker than the WRC.

    “I lost a couple of times the wheel already on the R5. And now I’ve got used to the go flat out everywhere [style of a World Rally car], so then I’ll need to start to remind myself of four years ago and try to be smart.”
    https://dirtfish.com/rally/how-propo...riving-styles/
    Last edited by AnttiL; 29th October 2020 at 10:41.

  11. Likes: pantealex (30th October 2020)
  12. #867
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2018
    Posts
    1,203
    Like
    528
    Liked 747 Times in 381 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by wyler View Post
    basically a rally1...
    Well, then let them run R5 or R5 plus and if they aren't as reliable, that becomes part of the challenge.

  13. #868
    Senior Member AnttiL's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2017
    Location
    Finland
    Posts
    9,625
    Like
    8,775
    Liked 10,522 Times in 4,616 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by T16 View Post
    Well, then let them run R5 or R5 plus and if they aren't as reliable, that becomes part of the challenge.
    Like I said, changing the nature of the sport. Some probably like this, some not.

  14. #869
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Dec 2006
    Location
    Exmuhle.....
    Posts
    5,283
    Like
    2,592
    Liked 1,243 Times in 675 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by AnttiL View Post
    Like I said, changing the nature of the sport. Some probably like this, some not.
    If it means we have a viable series, then so be it. Most sports tend to change/evolve....those that don't get left behind.

    Is there a better sound than that of Porsche engined Flat-6 ???

  15. Likes: RS (29th October 2020),T16 (29th October 2020)
  16. #870
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2018
    Posts
    1,203
    Like
    528
    Liked 747 Times in 381 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by AnttiL View Post
    Like I said, changing the nature of the sport. Some probably like this, some not.
    beggars can't be choosers, I guess.

  17. Likes: AndyRAC (29th October 2020),AnttiL (29th October 2020)

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •