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    Quote Originally Posted by Mirek View Post
    This... ...is how you do marketing for electric cars.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheFlyingTuga View Post
    Seeing top drivers on it would bring the spectacle. Remember Ogier and Mikkelsen on the Skoda's
    R5s sound really terrible... When I went to Rally Argentina I found the Maxi Rally cars to be far more exciting to watch because of the sound.

    Additionally, R5s are meant to be driven cleanly and neatly, so it would 100% play against more aggressive drivers to go down that route.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steve.mandzij View Post

    Additionally, R5s are meant to be driven cleanly and neatly, so it would 100% play against more aggressive drivers to go down that route.
    Rally2 cars aren't as durable as WRC's so it would require a more cautious approach to get to the finish. Technical and mechanical failures, suspension collapsing or driveshafts snapping would be more common. It would change the nature of the sport.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AnttiL View Post
    Rally2 cars aren't as durable as WRC's so it would require a more cautious approach to get to the finish. Technical and mechanical failures, suspension collapsing or driveshafts snapping would be more common. It would change the nature of the sport.
    AnttiL, you keep suggesting that the current Rally2 cars aren’t up to the job of a power increase etc, but couldn’t they just beef everything (suspension / shafts etc) up a little, so the cars can handle more power / harder driving etc?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rallyper View Post
    Shouldn´t be rocket science to get the R5´s to sound more.
    Indeed..

    Anyone know what they changed in the WRC engine regulations to make them sound better? Some of the 2L WRC engines were particularly quiet and boring sounding (Focus and 307)

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    Quote Originally Posted by AnttiL View Post
    Rally2 cars aren't as durable as WRC's so it would require a more cautious approach to get to the finish. Technical and mechanical failures, suspension collapsing or driveshafts snapping would be more common. It would change the nature of the sport.
    I think that’s a bit of an exaggeration. The top R5 crews push their cars pretty hard and there aren’t that many mechanical problems for them these days. Sure if the Tanaks and Ogiers and Neuvilles are driving them they are pushing them a bit harder but I don’t see that it would change the nature of the sport.

    Every rally is a balance between driving as fast as possible whilst not crashing or damaging the car or tyres no matter what you are driving.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T16 View Post
    AnttiL, you keep suggesting that the current Rally2 cars aren’t up to the job of a power increase etc, but couldn’t they just beef everything (suspension / shafts etc) up a little, so the cars can handle more power / harder driving etc?
    basically a rally1...

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    Quote Originally Posted by T16 View Post
    AnttiL, you keep suggesting that the current Rally2 cars aren’t up to the job of a power increase etc, but couldn’t they just beef everything (suspension / shafts etc) up a little, so the cars can handle more power / harder driving etc?
    There goes the cost savings and "having already a number of cars / teams on the start line"

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    Quote Originally Posted by RS View Post
    I think that’s a bit of an exaggeration. The top R5 crews push their cars pretty hard and there aren’t that many mechanical problems for them these days. Sure if the Tanaks and Ogiers and Neuvilles are driving them they are pushing them a bit harder but I don’t see that it would change the nature of the sport.

    Every rally is a balance between driving as fast as possible whilst not crashing or damaging the car or tyres no matter what you are driving.
    Difficult to say who is pushing hard and who not. Many drivers who graduate from WRC2 to WRC have said that the level of competition and pace is so different, you have to go flat out all the time whereas in WRC2 it's not so tough.

    As for retirements in WRC2, in Sardegna for example Fourmaux, Camilli and Gryazin retired with mechanical issues, and Østberg lost a lot of time with driveshaft issues.

    Meanwhile, we have Tidemand and Bulacia leading WRC2 and WRC3, and they have rarely been the fastest crews on stage times. And remember how ERC was won last year?
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    Also read this about the difference between the WRC/Rally1 GRE engine and the Rally2 engine

    On source said: “While the potential for working from a Rally2 [R5] base engine might have been more economic, it would have raised questions over reliability and durability as well as performance.

    “We would need to have more [Rally2-based] engines to get through the season, whereas we can make the GRE last longer.”

    https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/wrc-k...2-hybrid-move/

    and comments from Lappi

    “I have experience from the R5 which is definitely weaker than the WRC.

    “I lost a couple of times the wheel already on the R5. And now I’ve got used to the go flat out everywhere [style of a World Rally car], so then I’ll need to start to remind myself of four years ago and try to be smart.”
    https://dirtfish.com/rally/how-propo...riving-styles/
    Last edited by AnttiL; 29th October 2020 at 10:41.

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