Results 191 to 200 of 1296
Thread: WRC future
-
7th December 2019, 12:00 #191
- Join Date
- Sep 2018
- Posts
- 685
- Like
- 56
- Liked 264 Times in 164 Posts
It's because they show Qassimi for like 15 minutes and then all others for 30 secs max and 3 drivers rotating
-
7th December 2019, 12:24 #192
- Join Date
- Oct 2005
- Location
- Biri, Norway
- Posts
- 4,792
- Like
- 121
- Liked 1,884 Times in 737 Posts
"Die with memories, not with dreams" Scott McIsaac
http://www.motorsportfilmer.net
-
7th December 2019, 13:00 #193
-
7th December 2019, 13:47 #194
- Join Date
- Jan 2004
- Location
- Norway
- Posts
- 6,385
- Like
- 2,008
- Liked 1,369 Times in 712 Posts
Why the hell should it matter what the manufacturers want?
They should not have any saying in the future of rally as a sport. The car is just a tool. FIA need to focus on getting the top level broader with many possible winners, and that youngsters see a real possibility to reach the top class.
-
7th December 2019, 13:53 #195
- Join Date
- Apr 2017
- Location
- Finland
- Posts
- 9,625
- Like
- 8,775
- Liked 10,522 Times in 4,616 Posts
- Likes: Allez Andruet (7th December 2019),Mirek (7th December 2019),pantealex (7th December 2019),the sniper (7th December 2019)
-
7th December 2019, 13:57 #196
- Join Date
- Apr 2017
- Location
- Finland
- Posts
- 9,625
- Like
- 8,775
- Liked 10,522 Times in 4,616 Posts
Wait, what does "team" mean?
At first it was a contest between Audi, Lancia and Opel. Then Opel left and Peugeot joined, RWD cars started getting obsolete. Toyota and Nissan were all the time there around, but were competitible only in African rallies. Even in 1986 with Metro, Ford and Citroen joining in, didn't change the fact that it was a Lancia vs Peugeot contest (after Audi pulled out).
Teams not capable of winning have been also around in the eras of Group A (Nissan, Mazda) and WRC (Seat, Skoda). For some people it's just important to see the number of main class cars on the stages, no matter if they can win or not. For me it's more about the sporting aspect.
We just had a rare era from 2017 to 2019 with four main teams competing quite equally with each other, all capable of winning rallies (M-Sport were very close to winning Corsica in 2019)Last edited by AnttiL; 7th December 2019 at 14:02.
- Likes: Allez Andruet (7th December 2019),cali (7th December 2019),Mirek (7th December 2019),pantealex (7th December 2019),Rally Power (7th December 2019),the sniper (7th December 2019)
-
7th December 2019, 14:06 #197
- Join Date
- Jun 2007
- Location
- Prague / Eastern Bohemia
- Posts
- 22,505
- Like
- 7,833
- Liked 11,152 Times in 4,427 Posts
Are you for real? Sorry but this is the dumbest thing I have read here in years.
If you don't listen the manufacturers they leave. When they leave the sponsors leave. When the sponsors leave even the privateers are fucked because there is no money to spend. You just killed the sport. Congratulations.Stupid is as stupid does. Forrest Gump
- Likes: Allez Andruet (7th December 2019),AnttiL (7th December 2019),br21 (7th December 2019),cali (7th December 2019),EstWRC (7th December 2019),pantealex (7th December 2019),steve.mandzij (8th December 2019),SubaruNorway (7th December 2019),the sniper (7th December 2019),tr4m (8th December 2019),TypeR (7th December 2019)
-
7th December 2019, 17:13 #198
- Likes: pantealex (8th December 2019)
-
7th December 2019, 18:22 #199
- Join Date
- Mar 2008
- Location
- Portugal
- Posts
- 3,004
- Like
- 3,729
- Liked 2,937 Times in 1,338 Posts
This isn't about going cheap; it's about controlling costs and avoid their escalation because costs do matter in motorsport.
Instead of a rhetorical question I'll give you a proper example: in 2011 Peugeot leaved the WEC/LM, a high valued series for them, due to increasing costs (notably the first Hybrid regs); they moved to the Dakar and later to the WRX and now they're getting back to WEC/LM because the revised Hybrid regs are quite less expensive than before: https://media.groupe-psa.com/en/psa-...ampionship-wec
Actually, WEC/LM recent history is a lesson on cost escalation effects; from 4 manus in 2015, Toyota was the only one left from 2018 onward. Most moved to the less expensive FE, certainly a series with an increasing value but still far from WEC/LM global reputation. This piece was written after Porsche WEC pull out and it's not hard to see how simillar the WRC scene is starting to look: https://www.motortrend.com/news/pors...ula-e-program/
P.S.: people tend to forget, but during the WRC 2L final period, with only two manus left and one clearly dominating, the FIA spent several years hearing the manus but they could never agree on new rules. At some point Mosley, then FIA president, even suggested returning to RWD cars!; finally, a few monthes after Todt was elected new president, the FIA ended the discussions and went for smaller and less expensive WRC cars, the first 1.6L generation. Like then, I wouldn't be surprised if the FIA ends imposing 2022 regs without manus agreement.Rally addict since 1982
- Likes: AndyRAC (8th December 2019),AnttiL (7th December 2019),cali (7th December 2019)
-
7th December 2019, 20:36 #200
- Join Date
- May 2005
- Posts
- 5,805
- Like
- 337
- Liked 3,795 Times in 1,982 Posts
The dilemma when talking to manus while making the rules is always the same...
a) listen to the 2-3 manus that are in the series at the moment to make them stay
or
b) listen more to those interested in joining (but then you need firm commitment at some point)
The manus already in the series are very likely to want as few changes as possible so that they have a development advantage and can re-use as much of their existing cars as possible. The manus interested in joining will likely want the opposite.
- Likes: AndyRAC (8th December 2019)
Turbine blade.
What's the first thing to come to...