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    Quote Originally Posted by AnttiL View Post
    Like I've said, it's just an assumption that Rally1 rules are the reason for Hyundai possibly switching to circuit racing. They could still leave if WRC continued on Rally2 cars (remember how Citroen said they will quit if hybrids don't come by 2022...and they still quit).
    Maybe I wasn't clear: I'm not assuming that Hyundai would continue with other rules; I'm saying that it's impossible, for the sport sake, to start a new WRC era with only 2 manus involved.

    If there's a real risk of Hyundai to leave, the FIA must react ASAP; they can't wait much longer to get the 3 manus formal commitment and they must immediately find alternative rules if that commitment fail.

    Rally2 Mild Hybrids, probably on a Rally2+ mode (with a larger restrictor and more aero, in order to distinguish them from those used in national series), seems to be the most obvious alternative.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AnttiL View Post
    Difficult to believe Mitsubishi would homologate the Mirage by now, it's an old model and an old car.
    If there is a manufacturer that need some PR, it is Mitsubishi!
    The Mirage is still around, but have had a small mid life upgrade, mostly make up. So Mpart could upgrade as well.
    I guess they have a few motorsport engineers in Mitsubishi that could help MPart if needed, to get a upgrade ir two before FIA Homologation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AnttiL View Post
    Yes, we could have this happening on single rallies, but the championship title would still be decided between the factory guys. It's also possible FIA would put a similar points divide as WRC2/WRC3 now where you need to enter and commit for the whole series in order to score WRC points, otherwise your points just go to WRC2...
    This WRC2/WRC3 is total nonsense and should be binned - period. The concept of registering for championship poiunts is total nonsense (iother than FIA cashing in big checks from manufacturers) and should be binned - period. Keep it simple : top 10 get points, period. You don't need a PhD to understand this is the best way of doing things.

    Quote Originally Posted by AnttiL View Post
    This is the part that many of you just don't understand. M-Sport is a separate company who builds and sells/rents rally cars. Skoda, Citroen and Hyundai are doing the same with their customer programs, but this business model doesn't pay the salaries of the drivers nor the participation of a 14 round WRC season. The budget for this must come either from the car manufacturer or a big sponsor.
    How would it be different for, say, Skoda, to do what MSport is doing today (running a 14 events program with 2 drivers ?)If MSport can make it with virtually no cash from Ford, i believe a (better) factory supported team could do it ...

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    and thanks Antill for the very interesting articles (from your links)

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    Quote Originally Posted by djip View Post
    This WRC2/WRC3 is total nonsense and should be binned - period. The concept of registering for championship poiunts is total nonsense (iother than FIA cashing in big checks from manufacturers) and should be binned - period. Keep it simple : top 10 get points, period. You don't need a PhD to understand this is the best way of doing things.
    I agree, but just saying it could happen
    How would it be different for, say, Skoda, to do what MSport is doing today (running a 14 events program with 2 drivers ?)If MSport can make it with virtually no cash from Ford, i believe a (better) factory supported team could do it ...
    Lappi came in with his payroll from Citroen, and Suninen has Jouhki's backing. Lappi and Suninen have also their personal sponsors, and of course Greensmith has oil company money. I think the rest is just balancing between marketing the company and its products, sponsor money and investing in the drivers career with the possibility to get a share of their future manufacturer team salary.

    It's not that Skoda is not able to do 14 events with two drivers, it's just likely that they don't want to do it, since they quit their WRC2 program while winning and having just released a new evolution of the Fabia.

    EDIT: The biggest difference with M-Sport to the likes of Citroen Racing and Skoda Motorsport must be that it's not owned by Ford. They do their own business and are not relying on marketing money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by djip View Post
    Regarding new entries, i am sure Toyota would develop an R5 car -
    Already confirmed they are.

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    The only downside I see to having R5s as the top class is the spectacle. They aren't too interesting to spectate but I attribute that mostly to the lack of noise. If they made the cars louder, and maybe even restricted suspension travel, that would be exciting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steve.mandzij View Post
    The only downside I see to having R5s as the top class is the spectacle. They aren't too interesting to spectate but I attribute that mostly to the lack of noise. If they made the cars louder, and maybe even restricted suspension travel, that would be exciting.
    Seeing top drivers on it would bring the spectacle. Remember Ogier and Mikkelsen on the Skoda's

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sulland View Post
    If there is a manufacturer that need some PR, it is Mitsubishi!
    Haven't they decided that the Mitsubishi name won't be used in Europe in the future?
    Hardly seems worth marketing the name in a European centred championship if the cars aren't sold there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheFlyingTuga View Post
    Seeing top drivers on it would bring the spectacle. Remember Ogier and Mikkelsen on the Skoda's
    Yeah...., in s2000 Skoda's that were banging, popping and screaming. They could be heard miles away in a forest.

    The noise is so important in rallying, at least to me. It adds a lot to the spectacle besides the speed and driver ability.

    I don't think it's a coincidence the IRC was so huge during the peak S2000 years, and seriously scaring and rivaling the WRC..., or that the WRC is now so popular and attendances are rising everywhere..., with the 17 cars sounding so impressive.

    The R5s can be driven well but they just don't sound exciting. It takes away from their spectacle..., which is an already big drop in terms of raw speed and performance from the current top class.

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