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    It's because they show Qassimi for like 15 minutes and then all others for 30 secs max and 3 drivers rotating

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    Quote Originally Posted by deephouse View Post
    It's because they show Qassimi for like 15 minutes and then all others for 30 secs max and 3 drivers rotating
    I meant the highlights shows
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    Quote Originally Posted by RS View Post
    To address the problem you identified that certain manufacturers do not have a car smaller than this.
    A car based on the R5 rules being so large would likely be slower than the R5. It makes little sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pantealex View Post
    Manufacturers doesn´t want R5 as main class so it doesn´t matter what you want...
    Why the hell should it matter what the manufacturers want?
    They should not have any saying in the future of rally as a sport. The car is just a tool. FIA need to focus on getting the top level broader with many possible winners, and that youngsters see a real possibility to reach the top class.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sulland View Post
    Why the hell should it matter what the manufacturers want?
    They should not have any saying in the future of rally as a sport. The car is just a tool. FIA need to focus on getting the top level broader with many possible winners, and that youngsters see a real possibility to reach the top class.
    They pay for it. Motorsport is different to "normal" sports in a way that it's half marketing. That's why even the televising people have their say in the rules and arrangement of the stages.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deephouse View Post
    I don't know where you live but Group B had from 12-16 teams in their era. Group A from 16 down to ''just 5'' and then again rising to incredible 28.
    Wait, what does "team" mean?

    At first it was a contest between Audi, Lancia and Opel. Then Opel left and Peugeot joined, RWD cars started getting obsolete. Toyota and Nissan were all the time there around, but were competitible only in African rallies. Even in 1986 with Metro, Ford and Citroen joining in, didn't change the fact that it was a Lancia vs Peugeot contest (after Audi pulled out).

    Teams not capable of winning have been also around in the eras of Group A (Nissan, Mazda) and WRC (Seat, Skoda). For some people it's just important to see the number of main class cars on the stages, no matter if they can win or not. For me it's more about the sporting aspect.

    We just had a rare era from 2017 to 2019 with four main teams competing quite equally with each other, all capable of winning rallies (M-Sport were very close to winning Corsica in 2019)
    Last edited by AnttiL; 7th December 2019 at 15:02.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sulland View Post
    Why the hell should it matter what the manufacturers want?
    They should not have any saying in the future of rally as a sport. The car is just a tool. FIA need to focus on getting the top level broader with many possible winners, and that youngsters see a real possibility to reach the top class.
    Are you for real? Sorry but this is the dumbest thing I have read here in years.

    If you don't listen the manufacturers they leave. When they leave the sponsors leave. When the sponsors leave even the privateers are fucked because there is no money to spend. You just killed the sport. Congratulations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by deephouse View Post
    I don't know where you live but Group B had from 12-16 teams in their era. Group A from 16 down to ''just 5'' and then again rising to incredible 28.

    How many teams are now? From 5 down to 3 and ZERO privateers!!

    Look we just want to see more of them like in old days where there were plenty cars and drivers out there. Don't really care if all of them is privateers just to be there so we could enjoy a little more than just 5 main cars, and the rest of 10 WRC2 cars and 70 R2 entries if we have luck.
    You just threw some random numbers in?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mirek View Post
    Sorry to disagree again. The issue is not the cost but the value in the current socia-political climate. Simply the manufacturers need to have a reason to invest. It doesn't help if you manage to decrease cost by let's say 20% (that's a lot) if the value is not there. The same applies vice versa.
    In other words - would you buy something which you neither need nor want just because it's cheap? Probably not, right?
    This isn't about going cheap; it's about controlling costs and avoid their escalation because costs do matter in motorsport.

    Instead of a rhetorical question I'll give you a proper example: in 2011 Peugeot leaved the WEC/LM, a high valued series for them, due to increasing costs (notably the first Hybrid regs); they moved to the Dakar and later to the WRX and now they're getting back to WEC/LM because the revised Hybrid regs are quite less expensive than before: https://media.groupe-psa.com/en/psa-...ampionship-wec

    Actually, WEC/LM recent history is a lesson on cost escalation effects; from 4 manus in 2015, Toyota was the only one left from 2018 onward. Most moved to the less expensive FE, certainly a series with an increasing value but still far from WEC/LM global reputation. This piece was written after Porsche WEC pull out and it's not hard to see how simillar the WRC scene is starting to look: https://www.motortrend.com/news/pors...ula-e-program/

    P.S.: people tend to forget, but during the WRC 2L final period, with only two manus left and one clearly dominating, the FIA spent several years hearing the manus but they could never agree on new rules. At some point Mosley, then FIA president, even suggested returning to RWD cars!; finally, a few monthes after Todt was elected new president, the FIA ended the discussions and went for smaller and less expensive WRC cars, the first 1.6L generation. Like then, I wouldn't be surprised if the FIA ends imposing 2022 regs without manus agreement.
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    The dilemma when talking to manus while making the rules is always the same...

    a) listen to the 2-3 manus that are in the series at the moment to make them stay
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    b) listen more to those interested in joining (but then you need firm commitment at some point)

    The manus already in the series are very likely to want as few changes as possible so that they have a development advantage and can re-use as much of their existing cars as possible. The manus interested in joining will likely want the opposite.

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