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    Gr.A/gr.N is dead and already burried by a thick dust. It's nothing but history. Get used to that finally and look what can be done now in the current world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mirek View Post
    Gr.A/gr.N is dead and already burried by a thick dust. It's nothing but history. Get used to that finally and look what can be done now in the current world.
    Youíre free to find me nostalgic, but Iím not; Iím concerned about the sport future and pissed to see that the FIA doesnít care to get more liberal homologation rules to allow private tuners providing rally cars for a fraction of the price of those made by the manus monopoly.

    Are you satisfied with having only 2 R1 cars and 2 R2ís homologated in 3 years? How many new R5 homologations are expected next year? And WRCís in 2022? Letís face it: without a larger diversity of cars and brands the sport canít progress and private tuners are vital to bring that diversity back.
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    Why do you think "private tuners" will be able to produce parts for less than a manufacturer, who does it on a larger scale?
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    Many of you are forgetting safety.
    Home-built cars just canīt be builded cheaply without latest safety equipment.
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    For me the ball related to the small classes is on the national ASN side. If I say it cynically why shall FIA care about cars which are basically irrelevant for FIA championships? It doesn't make sense to pretend it's not like that. Naturally they don't put much emphasis on something which doesn't compete in FIA championships anyway and which is not interesting for the manufacturers at the same time.

    In most of the countries you can build small cars on local private basis according to the ASN rules. The reason why there is so few R1 cars available is IMHO in the fact that they aren't actually needed. Nobody competes with these small cars internationally.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pantealex View Post
    Many of you are forgetting safety.
    Home-built cars just canīt be builded cheaply without latest safety equipment.
    Come on pantealex, weíre not talking about home made cars; weíre talking about proper rally cars made under FIA standards by independent tuners, just like Maxi Rally in Argentina, N5 in Spain or AP4 in Australia and New Zealand.

    Instead of promoting R4 as a single supplier kit, there was room to make a global R4 regulation, allowing a proper competition between tuners around the world. The same for a 2wd category. Besides, most ASNís donít have tech expertise to regulate rally categories and without a global rule itíll also be harder for local tuners to get a proper scale for starting their projects.

    The rally market should work freely, as any other market; without a wider diversity at the base we canít have a strong pinnacle; restraining the whole sport to a bunch of manus is hurting Rally.
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    According to FIA rally boss, saying to MN that 3 manufacturers ara activly working on the concept, and 3 more are studying the tech draft.
    he hopes minimum two cartypes ready for 2021, maybe more.

    Matton also agrees that the R4/R2 Kit class is too closely prized vs R5. They are looking to getting an alternativ kit maker in addition to Oreca, to get the price down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sulland View Post
    According to FIA rally boss, saying to MN that 3 manufacturers ara activly working on the concept, and 3 more are studying the tech draft. he hopes minimum two cartypes ready for 2021, maybe more.
    Not hard to guess: Ford, Peugeot and Renault (the last one was rumoured even before the Rally5 Clio launch).

    Quote Originally Posted by Sulland View Post
    Matton also agrees that the R4/R2 Kit class is too closely prized vs R5. They are looking to getting an alternativ kit maker in addition to Oreca, to get the price down.
    Launching R4 trough a single supplier was a terrible idea and having just one more won't probably be enough to fix it. The FIA should make a universal rule, based on R4 kit specs, opening the class to all sort of private tuners.
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    The R3 class overlaps with the R4. I don't know what the FIA plans was, but it doesn't look good. The R4 is too expensive, too close to the R5 in performance, and puts the Maxy Rally, N5 and AP4 out of competition. The idea to have an unique provider in Europe to the entire world is plain wrong just because not all the world is the same, and it goes directly against the local teams/tuners.

    The R3 should be different than the R4 idea. It should be a set of rules, with maybe some common components and that's all, then the teams and tuners should make the rest. The real need today is to fil the gap between FWD cars and the MR, N5, AP4, R4 car.

    I think FIA should hear the teams and drivers on the lower categories, because what they are looking for now is a 4WD car cheaper and slower than the R4, MR, N5 or AP5.
    Last edited by Damian Baldi; 27th January 2020 at 16:38.

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    Important to keep to the maxprize of €100,000.

    So if a rally4 car will cost € 60-65 000, then they have 30-35 k to build tunnel and 4wd system.

    Should be possible.

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