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    I want to post to get me "following" this thread.

    Where would you see these cars being used? WRC3? JWRC? Or would there be JWRC and JWRC2 for 4WD and 2WD cars with different prices? I believe in Finland they could use this in the SM2 category (SM1 is Rally2 cars, SM2 is currently mostly old Group N cars)

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    Do we know if MSport will testrun the Rally3 in a rally, outside competition, to promote the new class?
    Just so potential buyers can see the potential.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AnttiL View Post
    I want to post to get me "following" this thread.

    Where would you see these cars being used? WRC3? JWRC? Or would there be JWRC and JWRC2 for 4WD and 2WD cars with different prices? I believe in Finland they could use this in the SM2 category (SM1 is Rally2 cars, SM2 is currently mostly old Group N cars)
    I see them go into RC3 in Int rallys, not many new R3 cars made/sold anymore.
    In national series I guess it will be a bit different, but the plan with this class is to replace N4.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scn View Post
    Except of Latvalla, Neuville and Sainz, no other driver in WRC history would ever have the chance to become a WRC driver if there were not cheap cars when they were young. There would not be any Vatanen, Mikkola, Alen, Rohrl, Auriol, Kankkunen, McRae, Loeb, Ogier. None of these rally masters had the financial ability in their youth to drive cars of the cost of R2s and R3s of modern times. R2s and R3s are awfully expensive for 99% of the young drivers. This destructive regulation must stop immediately and there must be regulations that permit cheap rally cars to be made.

    I am 51 years old, I have my own business and I cannot buy an R3. I drive an old GrA with 190bhp on 880 kg that cost 25.000 euros and lots of personal hours to build, with a homologated roll cage from Custom Cages. It is immense stupidity or utter hypocrisy to ask a 25-year-old driver to find 100.000 euros for an R3.
    Dunno why you mentioned Neuville, since he started with an Opel Corsa and didn't really have a lot of budget. However, you could probably add Oliver Rovanperä and Oliver Solberg to the list.

    I don't think Rally3 (not R3! targeted to someone's first rally car or a hobby rally car. It will be an entry-level 4WD car that can compete in national championships and perhaps even WRC3, another step on the ladder which is now missing between Rally4 and Rally2.

    I don't think individual people just go and buy a rally car like this (well some rich people probably do), but there's obviously a team with funding behind to get one, and usually with some background in other cars before that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sulland View Post
    I see them go into RC3 in Int rallys, not many new R3 cars made/sold anymore.
    In national series I guess it will be a bit different, but the plan with this class is to replace N4.
    R3/R3T are in RC4 (same as Rally4/R2) 2021-

    so RC3 is only for Rally3 from 2021-
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    Quote Originally Posted by pantealex View Post
    R3/R3T are in RC4 (same as Rally4/R2) 2021-

    so RC3 is only for Rally3 from 2021-
    Good, so they get their own class.

    And we know Ford is coming and Toyota will make Rally3 after cyl volume changed from 1000 to 1620 ccm.

    what about the French brands, any news on them?

    will Ford sell kits, so teams can modify a nirmal Fiesta shell to accept the 4wd, and bolt on the rest of the kit?
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    There were rumours about Renault Rally3 and also Dirtfish mentioned today that there will be Hyundai Rally3

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    Quote Originally Posted by AnttiL View Post
    I want to post to get me "following" this thread.

    Where would you see these cars being used? WRC3? JWRC? Or would there be JWRC and JWRC2 for 4WD and 2WD cars with different prices? I believe in Finland they could use this in the SM2 category (SM1 is Rally2 cars, SM2 is currently mostly old Group N cars)
    Yep, it’s not hard to imagine Rally3 as a new WRC support series, alongside JWRC and WRC2, or replacing ERC2 (and even ERC1 Junior) in the ERC. In national championships they can, finally, take N4 place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kenneth View Post
    There were rumours about Renault Rally3 and also Dirtfish mentioned today that there will be Hyundai Rally3
    And when Opel now homologates the Rally4 Corsa soon, well, maybe we could see a Corsa Rally3 car from them. Opel needs it, to continue their strong rally history.

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