Rally 3 class

[Sulland]

Maybe, but they have used many manhours on the GR Yaris, testing it. Not specifically for rally, but instead of starting from scratch.

Think of the PR the car will get. You can actually with a full rally-kit by GR, take it into the forrest!
Of course not as a Rally3, but more a cupcar.

But Toyota is a big organisation, they should be able to make a Rally3 car quite fast, and have it ready for sale in November 2021.

[Mirek]

Sulland, try to think real a little bit. Things don't just appear. There is a hell of work and that work must be done by someone. Maybe Toyota will come with Rally3 car but for sure they can't work on everything in the same time (maybe better to say they can but in that case the product would be rubbish).

[Sulland]

Sulland, try to think real a little bit. Things don't just appear. There is a hell of work and that work must be done by someone. Maybe Toyota will come with Rally3 car but for sure they can't work on everything in the same time (maybe better to say they can but in that case the product would be rubbish).

I am trying to. Toyota has its WRC team moving into a new HQ in Finland
Mäkinen taking back his farm. Not quite clear yet what TMR will have in the future, if any.

But Toyota also have the German team of 300+ people. Toyota pulled out of LMP1 in WEC, that was their pri 1 job. So they could help getting the Rally3 program up to speed, maybe with Tommi in a role.

Others that did not make it in the R5 competition, Mistsubishi and Proton could downgrade them to Rally3, and giving Ford some competition!

[Tarmop]

LMP1 is transitioning into Hypercar class. Toyota is developing that. I see no changes in there.

Proton and Mitsubishi aren`t factory supported projects if i remember correctly. Or if they are, less than M-Sport and Ford. Re-developing a R5 into R3 takes a load of money....which isn`t easy to find.

[pantealex]

I am trying to. Toyota has its WRC team moving into a new HQ in Finland
Mäkinen taking back his farm. Not quite clear yet what TMR will have in the future, if any.

But Toyota also have the German team of 300+ people. Toyota pulled out of LMP1 in WEC, that was their pri 1 job. So they could help getting the Rally3 program up to speed, maybe with Tommi in a role.

Toyota/TGR Germany is now running that Rally project (yes the same one which Tommi was leading)
Factory will stay in Jyväskylä because of testing possibilities, but HQ is in Cologne, Germany.

[Mirek]

But Toyota also have the German team of 300+ people. Toyota pulled out of LMP1 in WEC, that was their pri 1 job. So they could help getting the Rally3 program up to speed, maybe with Tommi in a role.

Even if you have hundreds of people dedicated to rally it means you need to take away number of them from WRC project and relocate them to Rally3. In the end it means you sacrifice something you could add to WRC and that may cost you the title because your opponents don't sleep but work as hard as they can. Especially the number of leading people in the development (technical managers, team leaders) is very limited. Such people are of rare qualities (and also huge price) and you don't have hundreds of them, not even dozens. Nobody does. And without them you develop a crappy car.

[Sulland]

So if the cost of 2 x Rally2 rallies equals cost of 6 x Rally3 rallies in ERC, the Rally3 rental cost is 1/3 of the rent of a Rally2 car.

That is quite a difference, and should make the intro of Rally3 cars much easier.
And if The rally3 class gets big, and gets good talented drivers, it will fill its pupose as a good gapfiller, amd introclass to 4wd!

[wyler]

btw a variety of Yaris GR versions are popping up as private projects. that's for Japan championship, not much info, it appears to be 3 cylinder, 1600cc, 260bhp, AWD
https://www.tuttipazziperilmotorspor...uEUiFxyEJnwBZ0

[dupanton]

So if the cost of 2 x Rally2 rallies equals cost of 6 x Rally3 rallies in ERC, the Rally3 rental cost is 1/3 of the rent of a Rally2 car.

That is quite a difference, and should make the intro of Rally3 cars much easier.
And if The rally3 class gets big, and gets good talented drivers, it will fill its pupose as a good gapfiller, amd introclass to 4wd!

I don't think it will be that cheap. I think 1/3 of Rally2 budget will get you a Rally4 rather than a Rally3

[Sulland]

Ok, so a good guesstimate will be that Rally3 is somewhere btw 40 and 50% of the cost of a Rally2 season in ERC, both with 6 rallies?

We will know after the first couple of rallies, since I am guessing that M-Sport Pol will rent out Rally 3 Fiestas.