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    Quote Originally Posted by denkimi View Post
    So they are not gravel roads. They are just frozen dirt.

    That was all in needed to know.
    No, they are gravel roads just like the one in the pic below. As I said the situation in the pic above is what happens when the road has been frozen (and covered with snow) but have defrosted.


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    Quote Originally Posted by denkimi View Post
    So they are not gravel roads. They are just frozen dirt.

    That was all in needed to know.
    Google thaw and read, stop being so ignorant.
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    Stupidity has no limits...well, quite common actually, when only familiar with tarmac roads...
    In reality these roads don`t even need a rally to become deteriorated, normal traffic with small cars will do...and those cars with their drivers have to manage and live there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rallyper View Post
    I should say Östersund or Umeå.

    Both are big enough cities hosting the rally. No lack of snow and absoulutely stunning stagematerial. (Östersund doesn´t really compete with Åre on hotelbeds)
    You don't even need to move it that much north, if they just skip the Karlstad trip, and chooses stages that's a bit higher up in the terrain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BleAivano View Post
    I agree. Both also have have good connections with Stockholm by air and train. Umeå is a quit large city (130'000 in the municipality) while Östersund is about half the size of Umeå and quite a bit smaller then Karlstad.
    Östersund is a bit closer to Stockholm by car and mighty attract more spectators from Norway. Umeå might attract less Norwegians but more Finnish spectators with the ferry between Umeå and Vasa (Finland).
    Umeå probably have more hotels/restaurants in the actual city while Östersund probably have hotels in the vicinity although many of those are more skiing resorts.
    Just make an Arctic Lapland Rally a WRC event and snow rally problem will solved for years

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    Quote Originally Posted by AnttiL View Post
    1. Roads will be destroyed
    2. Gravel tyres don't work in ~0°C conditions. They would need a "supersoft" option.
    3. I believe the cars still have to use winter tyres in Sweden on the road sections due to traffic legislations.
    1. I think studded tyre will destroy road faster and harder than gravel tyre in similar +5C conditions.
    2. But they work perfectly in Wales, even with some snow, even with low temp ~+5C
    3. So traffic rules it's only problem for do that.

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    Mads Østberg
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    For now it's perfect rally weather/time

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    Quote Originally Posted by KKS View Post
    Mads Østberg
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    Approx 40kms from Torsby, 16 km from Likenäs

    For now it's perfect rally weather/time

    This is it. Quickly move all the stages there
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    Quote Originally Posted by KKS View Post
    1. I think studded tyre will destroy road faster and harder than gravel tyre in similar +5C conditions.
    If the road is soft/mushy, it really doesn't matter what tyre exactly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KKS View Post
    2. But they work perfectly in Wales, even with some snow, even with low temp ~+5C
    When is the last time Wales Rally GB has had any snow? The tyre regulations in the 90's were completely different, options were endless.

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