Silly Season 2020

[Tarmop]

And the Yaris is driven flatout and occupies the podium all the time by others also...

[denkimi]

Yeah, because there were no signs of any speed when Tänak was at M-Sport...

of course there were. there were however no signs that he would suddenly be much faster than ogier.

And the Yaris is driven flatout and occupies the podium all the time by others also...

remember that mighty dominant polo? in 4 years ogier collected 1088 points, latvala collected 675.
by comparison, in the last 2 years tanak collected 444 points. latvala 222.

its not tanak who has suddenly discovered something magic when changing cars, its just latvala and meeke who are utter failures in driving that dominant toyota.

[tommeke_B]

No need to throw some numbers around, you can say exactly the same about Neuville/Hyundai as you can about Tänak/Toyota. I think that at this point you can put Tänak in any WRCar, and he'd be the quickest driver. It's up to Neuville to make his homework now, fast...

[EstWRC]

let him be, its clear to see he wont change his mind

im sure IF Tänak next year SHOULD be as fast with the Hyundai, then people will start talking that the Hyundai is the most dominant car and etc

[mknight]

its not tanak who has suddenly discovered something magic when changing cars, its just latvala and meeke who are utter failures in driving that dominant toyota.

Well the second part is rather obvious:

Podiums:
Tanak 9 (6 wins), his teammates: 3 (33%)
Neuville 8 (3 wins), his teammates: 5 (62,5%)
Ogier 7 (3 wins), Lappi: 3 (43%)

Latvala and Meeke have 3 podiums from 26 starts (8,6 starts per podium!, 13 for Meeke, 6,5 for Latvala)
Lappi has 3 podiums from 13 starts (4,3 starts per podium)
Mikkelsen has 3 podiums from 10 starts (3,3)
Evans has 2 from 10 starts (5)
Sordo has 2 from 8 starts (4)

Even assuming the 4 cars are exactly the same Latvala and Meeke numbers are devastating. As to the cars... between Turkey 2018 and Turkey 2019 Toyota had highest number of stage wins on every single rally, out of 13 rallies this year they had highest number of stage wins in 11. (but yes, lot of these are off course due to Tanak)

[T16]

is NOT back?

[seb_sh]

I also think at the moment Tanak is faster than Ogier but you have to take into account that Ogier is near the end of his career while Tanak is at his peak. Also in the past Ogier was not always the fastest, maybe also in part due to road position, but he was fast enough to get on the podium and error free, that's why he won a lot of championships, being the fastest is not the only thing that matters. Tanak has had the speed for years but only a couple years ago he started to be consistent. Maybe he learned some things from Ogier too?

Interesting in those stats about number of podiums for number of starts, Mikkelsen is doing well, sure road position counts but in a world where the top 3 are taken and also based on his past form in the Polo I would like to see him in a different car.

[mknight]

Tanak has had the speed for years but only a couple years ago he started to be consistent. Maybe he learned some things from Ogier too?

Last year Tanak got fast on every rally. First this year he learned not to push 100% all the time. Or as Tommi said in Spain after the championship win he stopped trying to win every stage.

[Tarmop]

Well, yeah, that wise talk again, maybe, BUT the top 3 was the same last year and unlike last year, he was the chasen one, previous year he was the chaser...behind two of the top 3. Quite a simple option, if you want top be ahead of someone, you have to go faster than the ones ahead of you. Lets also remember, that before his 3 in a row, it looked like he was out of the game, pretty much.

Now you can ofc talk how the best rallycar in the world is supposed to break 4 times with the same issue etc (most of the time chasing the other top3 members) , but hey, be my guest.

[mknight]

Well, yeah, that wise talk again, maybe, BUT the top 3 was the same last year and unlike last year, he was the chasen one, previous year he was the chaser...behind two of the top 3. Quite a simple option, if you want top be ahead of someone, you have to go faster than the ones ahead of you. Lets also remember, that before his 3 in a row, it looked like he was out of the game, pretty much.

Now you can ofc talk how the best rallycar in the world is supposed to break 4 times with the same issue etc (most of the time chasing the other top3 members) , but hey, be my guest.

I quoted Tommi, but off course who is he to know...