Thread: Silly Season 2020
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20th November 2019, 20:08 #1431
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The overall point result that Lappi "achieved" is hard to beat, especially since there will be only 6 manu point scoring cars, so just finishing brings 8 manu points.
Thing is that Ogier + Evans + Rovanpera team does not look like they stand a chance in manu champs vs Tanak, Neuville, Sordo/Loeb+Breen/Mikkelsen or even Latvala (for Sweden/Finland).
Toyoda's goal for both titles next year seemed dead serious, in my head that doesn't connect with Rovanpera in 3rd car.
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20th November 2019, 20:25 #1432
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20th November 2019, 20:33 #1433
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Very simplified maths:
Manu points from Tanak and Neuville this year: 219+179= 398 (18 more than Hyundai won the championship using 3 cars with)
Manu points from Ogier and Evans: 190+94= 284
Note that this calculation actually benefits both Ogier and Evans a lot cause with 2 car teams on most rallies they never lost points to their teammates. Sure it is likely Ogier will get slightly better results in Toyota and maybe Evans will too and Evans missed 3 rallies (with his average points it means 30 points), but 110 points is a huge difference.
Now moving on to "3rd" drivers you'd have Sordo/Loeb and one more for SWE/FIN with roadposition advantage on just about every rally vs Rovanpera. Doesn't look very promising.
Sure things might work out, but before the season I'd guess the team would want to maximize their chances and this is not a "learning year" like 2017. This is the year where they have to deliver, in the words of Toyoda himself.Last edited by mknight; 20th November 2019 at 20:42.
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20th November 2019, 20:37 #1434
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I think it just confirms that they really did want to compete next year, but were only willing to spend the money if they felt they had a driver capable of winning....they knew they didn’t have much of a chance to get him (Neuville) but they tried anyway...
I’m sure they will make Ogier pay for breaking the contract tho, either through the courts or an out of court settlement....Toyota may well bankroll the compensation as part of the deal however.
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20th November 2019, 20:53 #1435
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I got your point, but it's not only about maths of what's happened before.
If we talk about team dynamics, there are risks in having both Neuville and Tänak in the same team. Are they both able to perform at the same level with the same consistency in 2020 as they did in 2019? Maybe, but it's far from being certain.
On the other hand, one could say that the trio of Ogier, Evans and Rovanperä looks to be quite well balanced when it comes to getting the most out of each individual team member. Seb we all know, with Evans having all the tools for being the perfect wingman for him. Kalle will sure do the occasional mistakes, but has huge potential that could be realized already in 2020 in certain rallies.ku ois neljä pyörää ku vetäis ni ois vähän eri sekunnit kyllä pätkillä, sen mä takaan
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20th November 2019, 20:54 #1436
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20th November 2019, 20:57 #1437
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20th November 2019, 21:03 #1438
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That's where we disagree. Kalle at this point should learn the car and rallies in a fast car, not be expected to finish and get points. So you are definitely not getting the best out of him. His overall performance level in WRC over the course of a rally is a big enigma.
This line up would have looked somewhat ok last year and quite good in 2017, but not against the lineup that Hyundai bought.
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20th November 2019, 21:11 #1439
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gravel notes with Budar and Lappi https://www.spreaker.com/user/mpodcast/citroen-quit-wrc
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20th November 2019, 21:27 #1440
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