Page 32 of 32 FirstFirst ... 22303132
Results 311 to 319 of 319
  1. #311
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2007
    Location
    Athens
    Posts
    21,142
    Like
    7,331
    Liked 11,467 Times in 5,123 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by Allez Andruet View Post
    Sorry but no, I don't buy it. Not claiming Tommi would be the second coming of Warren Buffett but it's complete nonsense that "everybody could run it" with the budget Toyota has given him and his company. How much of it is because of Tommi himself? Hard to say, but at the end of the day that's quite irrelevant. It's Tommi who has built the team and hired the people around himself making all this possible, no-one else.
    what do you mean,that Malcolm or Richards would have failed financialy with this budget?
    Probably you dont read properly my posts.
    So i will write it again.
    we have to give credits to Tommi for other things(his choices at every level generally) but NOT for his financial results.
    Hope that now is clear that i write about the FINANCIAL RESULTS.

  2. Likes: EstWRC (15th October 2019)
  3. #312
    Senior Member Allez Andruet's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2016
    Location
    Finland
    Posts
    1,077
    Like
    901
    Liked 1,467 Times in 624 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by dimviii View Post
    what do you mean,that Malcolm or Richards would have failed financialy with this budget?
    No, never said that.

    Quote Originally Posted by dimviii View Post
    we have to give credits to Tommi for other things(his choices at every level generally) but NOT for his financial results.
    Then who gets the credit for them? Toyota has invested x millions to run a WRC program and someone is able to do it successfully AND make some millions of profit seemingly each year. Someone does it, that's quite obvious. If the man running the business does not get the credit for it, then who does?
    ku ois neljä pyörää ku vetäis ni ois vähän eri sekunnit kyllä pätkillä, sen mä takaan

  4. #313
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2007
    Location
    Athens
    Posts
    21,142
    Like
    7,331
    Liked 11,467 Times in 5,123 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by Allez Andruet View Post
    No, never said that.


    Then who gets the credit for them? Toyota has invested x millions to run a WRC program and someone is able to do it successfully AND make some millions of profit seemingly each year. Someone does it, that's quite obvious. If the man running the business does not get the credit for it, then who does?
    when you have so big budget,there is no credit that you managed to dont bankrupt and make profits.
    Everybody would do that.Maybe some others could make more profit,bot no one would bunkrupt,when the budget is so huge.
    I would give a credit when he managed that, with less budget from competitors,like Cowan.

  5. #314
    Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2019
    Location
    Estonia
    Posts
    56
    Like
    17
    Liked 87 Times in 25 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by mknight View Post
    Sorry but this is not correct, they have each stolen 1 point off Tanak when they didn't need to.

    In Germany they took 2 points off Ogier, but not Neuville. That didn't "give" Tanak anything. Even if they drove at snail pace it wouldn't give him anything cause he had only 3 brakes from the stage before. Which the team knew before PS started, so there was no choice there.
    Yes it did give Tänak something. If they had not finished before Ogier the gap between them now would be 36 points, not 38. Yes, in this instance it was a no brainer to have them push because of Tänak's situation but you cannot deny them credit for finishing before Ogier.
    Quote Originally Posted by mknight View Post
    When you "steal" 2 points and then if you "give" 2 back (which is not correct as just explained), you still stole two. This way result is 0, while it could have been +2 for Tanak.
    This is where I disagree with you. The team could go for strategy A - teammates hold back to make sure they do not take away points from #1 driver (unless they need to push to keep their overall position) This way it is quaranteed they will finish with 0 result - nothing taken away but also providing no help. A risk free solution
    Strategy B - in this case would be to have them push so they take away points from rivals and with a possibility of jackpot when their #1 driver finishes before them. This is a risk-reward type of situation. You cannot quarantee you will finish faster than rivals - its a race afterall. So sometimes you will have a negative effect, sometimes neutral effect and sometimes apositive effect. You cannot judge this strategy based on any one race IMO. You will have to check the overall effect in the end of the season and then you can say if "strategy A" had been a better choice or not. So in that sense my ranking above was a bit premature, Latvala and Meeke still have 2 rounds where they can "steal" or "give" points.
    Quote Originally Posted by mknight View Post
    Imo for bosses (and for Tanak) it's not so much about the 1-2 points, but about knowing what your job is. This was great with Meeke in GB on Saturday, when he couldn't keep up with the top3 he didn't try harder and crash but kept 4 place for very important points. But this kind approach should have started 5-6 rallies earlier. I'd guess Tanak would certainly want it from the start of the season. Cause with 2 other cars on decent points he could afford to push a bit harder with some risk of crashing when needed.
    Agreed that knowing your job in the team is what actually matters. So in this instance it depends if teams orders for Latvala in Argentina and for Meeke in Mexico were to push on PS or to hold back. If the order was to push according to "strategy B", I dont see a need to blame then. They tried and failed by 0,2 seconds in both cases - you cant win them all. But if the order was to hold back and they went out and pushed anyway then that is a different story completely. We will never know which of these 2 cases it was, or if it was some 3rd case for that matter.

    Overall we are indeed talking about a few points only. (although in the end it might come down to just that, you never know) The real criticism against Latvala and Meeke is their inabilty to finish before Neuville and Ogier overall - that is where they really could have given Tänak/ taken from rivals a significant amount of points. I don't really hold it against them, in that case the championship may have already been decided, now there are some exiting weekends ahead.

  6. Likes: er88 (15th October 2019),pantealex (Yesterday)
  7. #315
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Feb 2017
    Posts
    736
    Like
    0
    Liked 275 Times in 168 Posts
    Guys.. Your over thinking it. 10s between 4 or 5 drivers? For 99% of the time, there is no room for strategy. Its just flat out.

  8. Likes: GravelBen (15th October 2019),Jewy46 (Yesterday),meh (Yesterday),Morte66 (Yesterday)
  9. #316
    Senior Member Allez Andruet's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2016
    Location
    Finland
    Posts
    1,077
    Like
    901
    Liked 1,467 Times in 624 Posts
    https://www.mtvuutiset.fi/artikkeli/...0836#gs.ah81st

    More Tänak-related rumors from Finland. Finnish media outlet MTV3 is reporting that Adamo met with Märtin during Rally Estonia and was left under impression that they were very close to finalize the deal. Turned out that wasn't the case though, and Adamo was somewhat angered by this turn of events. The story also claims that Tänak had already agreed in principle to sign Toyota's contract proposal, but changed his mind at the very last minute and came back with additional demands. Mäkinen obviously wasn't too pleased with this kind of approach.
    ku ois neljä pyörää ku vetäis ni ois vähän eri sekunnit kyllä pätkillä, sen mä takaan

  10. #317
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2019
    Posts
    137
    Like
    20
    Liked 113 Times in 51 Posts
    I wonder do all actual related parties for all this contract mess also eat popcorn and read peoples nice fantasies what kind of divas they are, what are their requirements, who did what and when...

  11. Likes: cali (Yesterday),EstWRC (Yesterday),pantealex (Yesterday)
  12. #318
    Senior Member EstWRC's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2014
    Location
    Estonia
    Posts
    7,648
    Like
    3,278
    Liked 6,509 Times in 2,730 Posts
    thankfully this will end soon

    but yeah, it seems to me that the rally media hasnt got nothing to write about, so they come out with all sorts of ideas about Tänaks contract.
    "Some famous quote from some famous person"

  13. Likes: pantealex (Yesterday)
  14. #319
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2019
    Posts
    146
    Like
    98
    Liked 74 Times in 38 Posts
    Yep. Looking forward to it ending so that the rest of the contracts can fall into place as well
    It makes for some interesting speculation though

    Sent from my F8331 using Tapatalk

  15. Likes: pantealex (Yesterday)

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •