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15th October 2019, 20:59 #311
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No, never said that.
Then who gets the credit for them? Toyota has invested x millions to run a WRC program and someone is able to do it successfully AND make some millions of profit seemingly each year. Someone does it, that's quite obvious. If the man running the business does not get the credit for it, then who does?ku ois neljä pyörää ku vetäis ni ois vähän eri sekunnit kyllä pätkillä, sen mä takaan
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15th October 2019, 21:41 #312
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when you have so big budget,there is no credit that you managed to dont bankrupt and make profits.
Everybody would do that.Maybe some others could make more profit,bot no one would bunkrupt,when the budget is so huge.
I would give a credit when he managed that, with less budget from competitors,like Cowan.
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15th October 2019, 21:47 #313
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Yes it did give Tänak something. If they had not finished before Ogier the gap between them now would be 36 points, not 38. Yes, in this instance it was a no brainer to have them push because of Tänak's situation but you cannot deny them credit for finishing before Ogier.
This is where I disagree with you. The team could go for strategy A - teammates hold back to make sure they do not take away points from #1 driver (unless they need to push to keep their overall position) This way it is quaranteed they will finish with 0 result - nothing taken away but also providing no help. A risk free solution
Strategy B - in this case would be to have them push so they take away points from rivals and with a possibility of jackpot when their #1 driver finishes before them. This is a risk-reward type of situation. You cannot quarantee you will finish faster than rivals - its a race afterall. So sometimes you will have a negative effect, sometimes neutral effect and sometimes apositive effect. You cannot judge this strategy based on any one race IMO. You will have to check the overall effect in the end of the season and then you can say if "strategy A" had been a better choice or not. So in that sense my ranking above was a bit premature, Latvala and Meeke still have 2 rounds where they can "steal" or "give" points.
Agreed that knowing your job in the team is what actually matters. So in this instance it depends if teams orders for Latvala in Argentina and for Meeke in Mexico were to push on PS or to hold back. If the order was to push according to "strategy B", I dont see a need to blame then. They tried and failed by 0,2 seconds in both cases - you cant win them all. But if the order was to hold back and they went out and pushed anyway then that is a different story completely. We will never know which of these 2 cases it was, or if it was some 3rd case for that matter.
Overall we are indeed talking about a few points only. (although in the end it might come down to just that, you never know) The real criticism against Latvala and Meeke is their inabilty to finish before Neuville and Ogier overall - that is where they really could have given Tänak/ taken from rivals a significant amount of points. I don't really hold it against them, in that case the championship may have already been decided, now there are some exiting weekends ahead.
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15th October 2019, 22:10 #314
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Guys.. Your over thinking it. 10s between 4 or 5 drivers? For 99% of the time, there is no room for strategy. Its just flat out.
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16th October 2019, 07:33 #315
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https://www.mtvuutiset.fi/artikkeli/...0836#gs.ah81st
More Tänak-related rumors from Finland. Finnish media outlet MTV3 is reporting that Adamo met with Märtin during Rally Estonia and was left under impression that they were very close to finalize the deal. Turned out that wasn't the case though, and Adamo was somewhat angered by this turn of events. The story also claims that Tänak had already agreed in principle to sign Toyota's contract proposal, but changed his mind at the very last minute and came back with additional demands. Mäkinen obviously wasn't too pleased with this kind of approach.ku ois neljä pyörää ku vetäis ni ois vähän eri sekunnit kyllä pätkillä, sen mä takaan
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16th October 2019, 08:06 #316
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I wonder do all actual related parties for all this contract mess also eat popcorn and read peoples nice fantasies what kind of divas they are, what are their requirements, who did what and when...
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16th October 2019, 08:11 #317
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thankfully this will end soon
but yeah, it seems to me that the rally media hasnt got nothing to write about, so they come out with all sorts of ideas about Tänaks contract.#8 Ott Tänak - Martin Järveoja #8
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16th October 2019, 08:14 #318
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Yep. Looking forward to it ending so that the rest of the contracts can fall into place as well
It makes for some interesting speculation though
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18th October 2019, 06:43 #319
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18th October 2019, 07:30 #320
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